Pathfinder Bug Reports - Version 6.7

[ShadowChemosh]

Hah! The day is mine!

*Does the "Caught up on the bug thread" Dance*

Marking here as the point to which I have either solved or recorded the bugs for later work.

Sweet!

You know though Mathias use to individually answer each post so people knew what was fixed and what was on the to-do list.

 

[Pezmerga]

Where did you see that rule as its not listed with the Nymph and there are no Universal Monster rule for those abilities. The default rules for monsters DC is in the monster creation section of the bestiary: "The DC for almost all special abilities is equal to 10 + 1/2 the creature's Hit Dice + a relevant ability modifier (usually Constitution or Charisma depending on the ability)."

There are a few Universal Monster Abilities that do appear to use Racial HD only, like Breath Weapon, but most use the 10+1/2HD+Ability Modifier. So where do you see that its Racial HD only for the Nymph's abilities?

Well, I asked on Paizo forums.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboard...utyAndStunningGlanceDC&page=1&source=search#4

I know James Jacobs said he doesn't make official rulings, but I don't think he made one, just confirmed one. It makes sense to me. Class abilities only go off the class that grants them so why wouldn't Racial abilities? Just give a Nymph additional HD or higher charisma if you want them to have a stronger DC.

 

[ShadowChemosh]

Well, I asked on Paizo forums.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboard...utyAndStunningGlanceDC&page=1&source=search#4

I know James Jacobs said he doesn't make official rulings, but I don't think he made one, just confirmed one. It makes sense to me. Class abilities only go off the class that grants them so why wouldn't Racial abilities? Just give a Nymph additional HD or higher charisma if you want them to have a stronger DC.

Well ask JJ in a month and you will get a different answer. I know it sounds mean but he has done it before to LW. They inputted a ruling about Half-Dragons based on his ruling and then a month later when asked he said the exact opposite answer.

The issue is that the General rule I quoted is from the bestiary and it lists Hit Dice not Racial Hit Dice. Class levels count as hit dice. I am not actually saying which way makes more sense just that HL has to go by the rules as written. If an FAQ or errata comes out that is different.

So just giving an FYI is all....

If I have time later I can find the Half-Dragon breath weapon ruling that he flipped flopped on when asked again a month later.

 

[Pezmerga]

Well ask JJ in a month and you will get a different answer. I know it sounds mean but he has done it before to LW. They inputted a ruling about Half-Dragons based on his ruling and then a month later when asked he said the exact opposite answer.

The issue is that the General rule I quoted is from the bestiary and it lists Hit Dice not Racial Hit Dice. Class levels count as hit dice. I am not actually saying which way makes more sense just that HL has to go by the rules as written. If an FAQ or errata comes out that is different.

So just giving an FYI is all....

If I have time later I can find the Half-Dragon breath weapon ruling that he flipped flopped on when asked again a month later.

We do have examples in published material though to be fair. Like the Nymph in Kingmaker AP 6 does only count her Racial HD for her abilities, despite being a 24 HD Creature because of class levels is just one example. I think that sets a precedence...I could look for more examples if it is needed though.

 

[Mathias]

We do have examples in published material though to be fair. Like the Nymph in Kingmaker AP 6 does only count her Racial HD for her abilities, despite being a 24 HD Creature because of class levels is just one example. I think that sets a precedence...I could look for more examples if it is needed though.

Sorry, but given the number of errors that have been noticed in adventure path material over the years, I don't give NPC and monster statblocks in an adventure path much weight in a rules argument.

 

[ShadowChemosh]

We do have examples in published material though to be fair. Like the Nymph in Kingmaker AP 6 does only count her Racial HD for her abilities, despite being a 24 HD Creature because of class levels is just one example. I think that sets a precedence...I could look for more examples if it is needed though.

The problem with that is we have to "assume" its correct in the first place. Being that Bestiary monsters from AP have "large" number of mistakes using a AP monster as the example is not a good idea. Also we have AP material that shows that one can Vital Strike and Spring Attack but that has been clearly stated as a NO in the errata.

Here is a Vampire that has 8 sorcerer levels and her Energy Drain ability is listed with a DC22 = (10+1/2HD (4) + CHA(8)). Energy Drain specifically says "Racial HD" but yet the class levels of Sorcerer where clearly used to calc the DC.

So we can go back and forth with monsters that have it calculated both ways. In the end the bestiary lists the rule and that is what HL is following.

And I have no control over what LW does I was just pointing out the rules that are part of the Bestiary. If you can find rules that say "racial HD" is the generic/default way to calc abilities then awesome and show them to Mathias.

 

[Pezmerga]

The problem with that is we have to "assume" its correct in the first place. Being that Bestiary monsters from AP have "large" number of mistakes using a AP monster as the example is not a good idea. Also we have AP material that shows that one can Vital Strike and Spring Attack but that has been clearly stated as a NO in the errata.

Here is a Vampire that has 8 sorcerer levels and her Energy Drain ability is listed with a DC22 = (10+1/2HD (4) + CHA(8)). Energy Drain specifically says "Racial HD" but yet the class levels of Sorcerer where clearly used to calc the DC.

So we can go back and forth with monsters that have it calculated both ways. In the end the bestiary lists the rule and that is what HL is following.

And I have no control over what LW does I was just pointing out the rules that are part of the Bestiary. If you can find rules that say "racial HD" is the generic/default way to calc abilities then awesome and show them to Mathias.

Vampire is a template, which would function differently (for instance, Humans don't have Racial Hit dice, they progress in Class Levels.), but I see your point...

Though I will point out that it says MOST special abilities use 10 + 1/2 HD + ability modifier.

However, I look at this from Universal Monster Rules.
"Monsters should use abilities from the Universal Monster Rules whenever possible, instead of creating new yet similar abilities—when you do create new abilities, use the Universal Monster Rules as a template for how to present and create the new abilities."

Stunning Glance is one of the Nymph Abilities in question. It functions as a Gaze attack that is activated, stated here:

"A creature with a gaze attack can actively gaze as an attack action by choosing a target within range. That opponent must attempt a saving throw but can try to avoid this as described above. Thus, it is possible for an opponent to save against a creature’s gaze twice during the same round, once before the opponent’s action and once during the creature’s turn."

Blinding Beauty works as a Passive Gaze attack.

Here it has the rules for a Gaze attack DC.

"A gaze attack takes effect when foes look at the attacking creature’s eyes. The attack can have any sort of effect; petrification, death, and charm are common. The typical range is 30 feet. The type of saving throw for a gaze attack is usually a Will or Fortitude save (DC 10 + the 1/2 gazing creature’s racial HD + the gazing creature’s Cha modifier; the exact DC is given in the creature’s text)."

All of this was taken from Monster Creation and Universal Monster Rules.

Sorry not trying to be a pain, but I do sincerely believe that the DC for the Nymphs gaze attacks are racial HD based. Yes I also realize that this would have to be a case by case basis for every monster's special attack...though most the abilities on the Universal Monster Rules page do say Racial hit dice.

 

[evilash]

The saurian shaman gets saurian wild shape 1/day at level 2. Instead he should get ordinary wild shape 1/day at level 4, and then at level 6 it should change to saurian wild shape (+2 levels for dinosaurs, -2 levels for others).

 

[AWizardInDallas]

Change Request: Eschew Materials

From: Eschew Materials Cast without materials, if material cost is <= 1gp.
To: Eschew Materials Cast without materials, if material cost is 1 gp or less.

It's not really wrong, just programmerish.

 

[AWizardInDallas]

Change Request: Sort Armor Mods

AC 20, touch 8, flat-footed 20 (+4 armor, +3 shield, -1 Dex, -1 size, +5 natural)
AC 20, touch 8, flat-footed 20 (+4 armor, -1 Dex, +3 shield, -1 size, +5 natural)

P.S. Dictated by Paizo stat block format.

 

[bodrin]

AC 20, touch 8, flat-footed 20 (+4 armor, +3 shield, -1 Dex, -1 size, +5 natural)
AC 20, touch 8, flat-footed 20 (+4 armor, -1 Dex, +3 shield, -1 size, +5 natural)

P.S. Dictated by Paizo stat block format.

Not to be pedantic but which one is it supposed to be Armor, Shield then DEX or Armor, DEX then Shield? It's not quite clear as you've written!

 

[AWizardInDallas]

Not to be pedantic but which one is it supposed to be Armor, Shield then DEX or Armor, DEX then Shield? It's not quite clear as you've written!

They should be alphabetized for reference as in: AC ZZ, touch ZZ, flat-footed ZZ (+ZZ armor, +ZZ deflection, +ZZ Dex, +ZZ natural, +ZZ shield)

 

[Exitilus]

Oracle with Haunted Curse - Possessed Oracle Archetype

At level 10 Telekinesis shows up twice under 5th level spells.

 

[thundershot]

Glitch with a Wizard/Ranger and a familiar and animal companion

My player's Wizard/Ranger just hit 8th level and now has both a familiar and an animal companion. I keep getting a validation error saying that "cat" is not on the ranger's list, even though it even says "arcane familiar" for the cat. Also, on the "race" list for the familiar, it gives error for everything with the red text that the companion type is not available for Rangers....

Is there some kind of workaround for this?

 

[Aaron]

Thundershot, I am afraid that is one of the bugs that has been noted but not yet fixed, you'll just have to pick the race you want and ignore the validation error for now.

 

[quixoticparadigm]

Nevermind

 

[jwood314]

When I try to print the full spell books to a PDF, the program crashes, these are very large spell books that are not working. When I do the mini version of the spell book, it works.

Any ideas or thoughts?

Thanks,
James

 

[Wolf]

Cavalier animal companion still is described as a druid in the flavor text when the question mark is hovered over by the mouse.

Also they are given quite a few choices (or maybe 5), rather than just horse.... like Wolf for one example.

figured this was the place for it.

 

[Pezmerga]

The Master Summoner archetype doesn't qualify for Extra Summons, since the name of the ability that grants him Summon Monster as a SLA changes when you select the archetype. I can't find anything that prohibits the Archetype from taking said feat.

 

[Pezmerga]

Double Slice allows full damage from the second head of a double weapon with power attack. It should still be 50% for the offhand attack, as Double Slice only grants full strength damage with an offhand, not full power attack damage.