It actually was brought up, they just refused to address it because, as you say, they were mid-hissy-fit. :/
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Hero Lab on Android
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It actually was brought up, they just refused to address it because, as you say, they were mid-hissy-fit. :/
Mystic Lemur
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Nanan00 said:Bad rulings like that are why I quit playing PFS.
It actually was brought up, they just refused to address it because, as you say, they were mid-hissy-fit. :/
Mike Brock was forced (inasmuch as one can be forced online) to give a ruling, so he gave a conservative ruling that puts us all on a level playing field. He never claimed that you can't use Hero Lab at the table. All he said was you are required to have a paper character sheet. Since you are also required to have your paper chronicle sheets with you in order to play your character (another ruling that was forced by people who couldn't leave well enough alone), it's not an undue burden to also have a printed copy of your character in the same folder/notebook/bound volume.
The reason the discussion was axed when it was, is because people are too hard headed to let sleeping dogs lie. That thread was heading toward "forcing" a ruling on electronic additional resources. I can guarantee you Brock would have ruled the same way, requiring a printed, watermarked copy of the page your character uses to be carried with your printed character sheet and printed chronicles. If that's not what people want, then they should quit poking the bear.
James Guckin
New member
Just wondering if there has been any new news on the android front.
It's been a while since I chimed in, too. I'd really prefer to not throw money away on an iPad just to run Hero Lab at GenCon, but I doubt my laptop's battery will last an entire session (much less two in one day) It's obviously too late for this year, but an Android version would be exceedingly beneficial.
I don't want just Android support.
This needs a full cloud networked interface.
DM runs HL on PC.
PC's run Hero Labs on Android or Apple.
All files are stored on the cloud.
DM and players are all synced into a live game session.
PC's update the sheet on their end, the cloud updates and the DM can access that info live from HL or have a synced copy accessible via RW.
DM update the sheet on their end, the cloud updates and the DM can access that info live from HL or have a synced copy accessible via RW.
I'm sitting her imaging a world where I the DM can 'insert' something into the player's equipment without them noticing and as long as its there and they don't notice X happens.
I'm drooling over the concept of a tactical console that syncs everyone at the party and lets me the DM put my dice down at the end of a long night and go to bed. Then the next day I can get up and start working on prepping my next session and all i have to do is open RW to see the up to date copy of my players character sheets.
PCGen and GMGen have started implemented the network feature above so I'll be keeping a close eye over these. It's a feature that might be enough to sway me over the fence however I did some research and it does not look like they are even close to having Android support either. Someone has made a reader but that's just to display information, not link back to the DM (as they have done for HL, but it only supports PF).
The age of players not using electronic devices at the table is over. So i imagine whom ever can beat the rest of the competition to the market with a quality product will concrete themselves in that market for many years to come. However I am aware that Hero Labs in its current state needs an overhaul to support Android and this is no small task to complete. Obviously LW are focused on the Content Market currently, unfortunately, and while not exactly the same, the 5e content market now exists in the form of DMsGuild.com. It's no where near what LW are aiming for obviously, but WOTC have thrown their support behind it and Fantasy Grounds which begs the question. Will they even allow the content to be sold on the RW Content Market once it is released or will it become another legal battlefield?
This needs a full cloud networked interface.
DM runs HL on PC.
PC's run Hero Labs on Android or Apple.
All files are stored on the cloud.
DM and players are all synced into a live game session.
PC's update the sheet on their end, the cloud updates and the DM can access that info live from HL or have a synced copy accessible via RW.
DM update the sheet on their end, the cloud updates and the DM can access that info live from HL or have a synced copy accessible via RW.
I'm sitting her imaging a world where I the DM can 'insert' something into the player's equipment without them noticing and as long as its there and they don't notice X happens.
I'm drooling over the concept of a tactical console that syncs everyone at the party and lets me the DM put my dice down at the end of a long night and go to bed. Then the next day I can get up and start working on prepping my next session and all i have to do is open RW to see the up to date copy of my players character sheets.
PCGen and GMGen have started implemented the network feature above so I'll be keeping a close eye over these. It's a feature that might be enough to sway me over the fence however I did some research and it does not look like they are even close to having Android support either. Someone has made a reader but that's just to display information, not link back to the DM (as they have done for HL, but it only supports PF).
The age of players not using electronic devices at the table is over. So i imagine whom ever can beat the rest of the competition to the market with a quality product will concrete themselves in that market for many years to come. However I am aware that Hero Labs in its current state needs an overhaul to support Android and this is no small task to complete. Obviously LW are focused on the Content Market currently, unfortunately, and while not exactly the same, the 5e content market now exists in the form of DMsGuild.com. It's no where near what LW are aiming for obviously, but WOTC have thrown their support behind it and Fantasy Grounds which begs the question. Will they even allow the content to be sold on the RW Content Market once it is released or will it become another legal battlefield?
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I would love cloud support like this, but considering RealmWorks doesn't even sync live, I wouldn't hold my breath.
And at this point, I wouldn't even care about Android support anymore, everyday PC tablets get cheaper so I'd rather see better PC support but we can't even get that, it's all about the iPad these days.
As a caveat to the above, IF the GM were given permission to edit my character sheet, i would want some sort of history or auto backups. The GM may have good intentions but they are not all technically savvy. I can see me saying... "Wtf happened to my Longsword with all the adjusts I made to it?, the GM said, you forgot it in the dungeon and didn't remember to pick it up so I deleted it..." Which I reply "crap I did...however you deleted my custom mockup I use which has my favorite paladin divine weapons on it and now I have to redo all that work...thanks"
So ya, cool concept but I have friends I would never trust editing my portfolio...
And at this point, I wouldn't even care about Android support anymore, everyday PC tablets get cheaper so I'd rather see better PC support but we can't even get that, it's all about the iPad these days.
As a caveat to the above, IF the GM were given permission to edit my character sheet, i would want some sort of history or auto backups. The GM may have good intentions but they are not all technically savvy. I can see me saying... "Wtf happened to my Longsword with all the adjusts I made to it?, the GM said, you forgot it in the dungeon and didn't remember to pick it up so I deleted it..." Which I reply "crap I did...however you deleted my custom mockup I use which has my favorite paladin divine weapons on it and now I have to redo all that work...thanks"
So ya, cool concept but I have friends I would never trust editing my portfolio...
The age of players not using electronic devices at the table is over.
No ... no it isn't. I know many players who don't want electronic devices at the table. You and your group have your preferences, and other people have theirs.
Android support please
I just purchased HL last month and use it on a Win laptop and iPad...but i want to add my voice and ask for Android support..
I am fully prepared to purchase the additional licenses needed to run it on a third device and fourth device...just saying : )
Love the program...use it for Savage Worlds & Pathfinder...
I have just installed the HL Reader, but have not tried it..thanks to both for your efforts in making the readers....
Mark
New Jersey
I just purchased HL last month and use it on a Win laptop and iPad...but i want to add my voice and ask for Android support..
I am fully prepared to purchase the additional licenses needed to run it on a third device and fourth device...just saying : )
Love the program...use it for Savage Worlds & Pathfinder...
I have just installed the HL Reader, but have not tried it..thanks to both for your efforts in making the readers....
Mark
New Jersey
+1 Also for Android app. Thinking of people around me that use devices 1 of us of the 6 that play routinely have an iOS device. I am sure this goes with a larger number of the players out there also seeing the same thing. I know all of those people would pay for a license for android device.
kwiqsilver
Member
Android has been the OS on the majority of devices (not just phones and tables, but notebook and desktops as well) shipped for over a year now.
Android devices are now selling faster than iOS devices in the US (Apple's last big market).
And now ChromeOS is gaining the ability to run Android apps.
It is well past time for an Android version of Hero Lab.
If the core of the product is in C++, then an Android port really just means writing a thin NDK wrapper, and a bunch of activities for the UI.
Why not do this as an open source project? Sales are tied to the content, not the tool, so there's no revenue loss, and there are enough interested developers out there, that we could see a beta in a matter of months.
Android devices are now selling faster than iOS devices in the US (Apple's last big market).
And now ChromeOS is gaining the ability to run Android apps.
It is well past time for an Android version of Hero Lab.
If the core of the product is in C++, then an Android port really just means writing a thin NDK wrapper, and a bunch of activities for the UI.
Why not do this as an open source project? Sales are tied to the content, not the tool, so there's no revenue loss, and there are enough interested developers out there, that we could see a beta in a matter of months.
DwarvenWiz
Member
Please make this a priority. I think that a significant base of your existing users would buy at least one new license for this even at a price premium. It may not be simple, but at least it isn't developing an entirely new product. There's money to be made here. Send out a newsletter poll or something to confirm the profitability, but don't leave us hanging.
Please make this a priority. I think that a significant base of your existing users would buy at least one new license for this even at a price premium. It may not be simple, but at least it isn't developing an entirely new product. There's money to be made here. Send out a newsletter poll or something to confirm the profitability, but don't leave us hanging.
Would people who own an Android actually purchase an additional license though? I am sure many of you who own an Android would love Hero Lab as it is pretty amazing on iOS. I think the reality is why would developers spend the money on Android when they can make more money off of users who own iOS devices. I hope they are working to bring Shadowrun and many other games to the iOS platform now that Pathfinder has been out for awhile.
http://www.androidauthority.com/new...n-in-app-purchases-than-android-users-700983/
I really hate this groupthink that Android users don't want to pay for stuff. It's not the case at all. And there are many more Android users than iOS users. Even if iOS users spend more on IAP that wouldn't affect Hero Lab at all since it doesn't use that system to begin with. I know many users that would buy additional licenses for Android devices. I'd buy one for every device I own that could run it (which is a significant number of devices). I would love to see it on Android, but I do see it sadly as a ways off.
Would people who own an Android actually purchase an additional license though? I am sure many of you who own an Android would love Hero Lab as it is pretty amazing on iOS. I think the reality is why would developers spend the money on Android when they can make more money off of users who own iOS devices. I hope they are working to bring Shadowrun and many other games to the iOS platform now that Pathfinder has been out for awhile.
http://www.androidauthority.com/new...n-in-app-purchases-than-android-users-700983/
That article is about in-app purchases. App purchasing is a different thing. Also not everyone wants to join the Apple Cult.