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Content Market - Tentative Date?

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joepacelli

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Is there a tentative Date to the launching of the Content Market?

I was reading so older things and found an interview with Liz in which she stated "The Content Market should be available to users in late 2014."

I believe this is from March timeframe in 2014.

I can understand delays but when people back a project and are waiting a certain feature but 2 years is a long time.
 
Not going to happen until they're ready. LWD have experienced a lot of backlash from even tentative release periods that slid, and the general consensus from customers was "don't do that".
 
It is a stupidly ridiculous amount of time. But it is what it is. RW is a complex beast and LWD is a small but dedicated team.
 
I'm a Software engineer myself and I can understand timelines slipping. The last team I was on had 6 developers, 3 QA and we did Agile of 2 week sprints.
I did both C# and SQL Server and we've delivered some very complex stuff in less than 2 years.

I am now a contractor and been in this company for just over 6 months and this project is a greenfield project consisting of only myself and 1 other developer and we've build a DB and application within the past 6 months.

As a Software Engineer we know our limits and abilities and don't commit to things we know we can't complete.

Saying that the Content Market was going to be available by end of 2014 and missing the mark and slipping by a few months is understandable. But slipping over 1 year with not even any tentative date....

I myself want to see this succeed. I'm waiting patiently for the Content Market so I can see what it holds before I make my initial purchase of RW.
 
Actually based on the Kickstarter the whole feature set which would include the Content market functionality to share was originally planned for may 2013 for some backer levels. While I fully understand the delay for the first release and that it would not be available all at once. It's somehow getting ridiculous about the delay currently.

Especially as the "Spotlight" series was and still is mentioned as "This weekly update will outline the Content market release plan." Somehow from december 19th up to now only 8 "Spotlights" have been posted and sorry to say but the first 5 had nothing to do with the content market but did just repeat things that where in the Gencon Videos of the last two years already, only "week 6" did contain actually useful information about the content market, yet hardly anything that does outline anything like a "release plan". It's fine and also advertised as previewing key RW features, however there is hardly anything NEW information.

Sorry but some are customers that payed already for the product whose one of the main features was delayed and delayed again with little to no word when it will be actually available. Small company or not this is getting hard to swallow.
 
At this point the mounting frustration is less about missing a release date by a few months and more about the enormity of the time lapse. Even the "it's coming soon" line has become a joke. I certainly understand the frustration and share it. However, the bottom line is that the majority of us are going to continue supporting this product regardless of the delays. I now depend upon RW a great deal and unless stability problems again rise up, I can't imagine jumping ship. If RW announced tomorrow that the content market was still 3 years away, I would be upset and I would protest, but I would still use RW. The LWD team has created a solid product and should be commended, but those that complain about the lack of features promised in the KS have a right to complain.
 
I'm pretty sure its beyond frustrating as well for LWD too. Had they hit their mark in 2013, they would have had 3 years of revenues which they were undoubtedly relying on. I'm going to politely keep reminding them but I totally agree with meek75 that RW is very useful today and that the functionality we all want (and from LWD's financial perspective, absolutely need) will only make it more so.
 
I just concentrate on getting my stuff entered and stopped, for the most part, waiting for the other features. I figure it'll get here when it gets here and fussing isn't going to make it happen sooner. I admit, however, that each time I start RW I check for updates with fingers and toes crossed. I'm going to blame it on being a beta tester who experienced a lot of updates. LOL
 
I'm one of the beta testers, feel free to use me as a scapegoat.

The lack of the content market is my fault, and my fault alone.

I was lackadaisical in my duties, and have caused no end of grief for the greatness that is LWD.

I'm sorry.


Boomer
 
BoomerET said:
I'm one of the beta testers, feel free to use me as a scapegoat.

The lack of the content market is my fault, and my fault alone.

I was lackadaisical in my duties, and have caused no end of grief for the greatness that is LWD.

I'm sorry.


Boomer
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That's just great. I admitted I was a beta tester then you come along and tell everyone to blame you because you were one of the beta testers. Now everyone is going to blame ALL beta testers. Reminds me of an adventure where my fellow players started yelling "Thief!" and pointing at me so they wouldn't get arrested. Thanks a lot buddy. You better watch your back now because I won't be there to watch it.

LOL :p
 
Don't try to deflect the blame you two. It is very kind but we all know it was my fault. I am both a beta tester and game store owner (and once a distributor). Nobody is more guilty than me for the delays, high prices of games, the devaluation of the Canadian dollar and a recent supernova.
 
The lack of updates is the frustrating part. In fact, I'd have to say it is starting to feel disrespectful to a loyal customer base.

I'm moving on from RW at this point. I have a ton of stuff entered, but the lack of features and pull-back of some core capability promised has caused me to move to other ways of sharing the world with my players.

I no longer have any trust in their ability to deliver, nor that we will be given a reasonable level of transparency about the situation.

Maybe I'll come back one day when they get it all ironed out; but I suspect that the market is moving at a pace that LWD is not willing to match, and that other solutions will take over the gap they've allowed to form.
 
What market? Show me a competitor to RW besides Obsidian Portal which is wholly inadequate. The fact is that RW is a hugely ambitious project entering a basically uncharted software market. Even after 4 or 5 years on the market no one has tried to compete with it. That is both a testament to the complexity of the task and the small size of the market.

I'm sure the 2 or 3 coders that work for LWD are spending just as much time as they can on RW between the times they have to spend updating HL which probably brings in several orders of magnitude more income for the company.
 
The Keep which is an NBOS software campaign management software... while it does not have the prefab forms Realm Works has, it does integrate into fractal mapper,Screenmonkey(VTT), the nbos character sheet maker , inspiration pad. You cAn use PDF files,web page, text documents,and sreadsheets. You can use it from Dropbox, it prints and exports (rtf,html, and EPub). the release date for the keep was 3-13-2009

I believe that would be considered a competitor
 
The Keep does nothing that I need. It doesn't autolink which is a bare minimum to be competitor with RW. For something that has supposedly been in development for 7 years it is as primitive as the rest of NBOS's offerings.
 
The only people who have reasonable cause to complain are kickstarter backers, which is why I often find myself wishing LWD had found another way to raise funds. As a post-kickstarter buyer, I looked at the feature set available at the time I make the purchase decision, I tried out the program within the money-back-guarantee period, decided it met my needs, and I continued using it. I might like other features, but I have no grounds to continue slamming the company in the forums.

I wish there were some Kickstarter-specific threads where Kickstarter-backer complaints could be moved, so those of use who bought the program through the website don't have to keep seeing them. Oh wait, Kickstarter has its own backer discussion functionality...
 
MNBlockHead said:
The only people who have reasonable cause to complain are kickstarter backers, which is why I often find myself wishing LWD had found another way to raise funds. As a post-kickstarter buyer, I looked at the feature set available at the time I make the purchase decision, I tried out the program within the money-back-guarantee period, decided it met my needs, and I continued using it. I might like other features, but I have no grounds to continue slamming the company in the forums.
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Hmmm, I think that is an overstatement MNBlockhead. I agree that the KS buyers have more cause for frustration. However, I bought RW more than two years ago, and at the time I had the impression, from things posted by LWD in the forums, that calendars, content markets, and journals were all on the horizon. I would never have guessed that more than two years would go by with none of those features released (I don't think LWD would have guessed that either). I am a supporter of RW and LWD. I love the product and will continue to use it unless stability becomes a problem. Still, I think it is fair for us to express some frustration at this point. Even the claim that its coming "soon" has become laughable. The margin by which release has been delayed is massive. Even people who buy the product today are doing so with the understanding that there are features in development. Granted, as time goes by and threads like this one grow, the reasonable expectations for an update dropped precipitously, but I think LWD has to expect and accept this sort of thing given the circumstances.
 
kbs666 said:
The Keep does nothing that I need. It doesn't autolink which is a bare minimum to be competitor with RW. For something that has supposedly been in development for 7 years it is as primitive as the rest of NBOS's offerings.
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I'm not sure I agree with you on this. RW is my choice for sure. The tools it currently offers fit my style and needs much better than The Keep. However, I could see how a person that values printing and export (as some vocal parties here obviously do) might choose the The Keep. The Keep also offers some built in map tools and is compatible with screenmonkey. If I were a user of Screenmonkey I might choose it. It is a GM tool intended to help organize a game world, so I think it would qualify as a competitor. I believe RW offers more value for the cost and am confident that it will out pace The Keep even more over time, but that is just my opinion.
 
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