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and I don't think they are supposed to.
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Doesn't this fall into THIS whole thread argument. That HL should not be checking such stuff and if a user adds Enlarge Person than it should apply.
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Feats, (bonus type) stacking rules, skill points, and so on are spelled out in the Pathfinder rules at the core as the "standard case", like with level progression and the classes themselves. So HeroLab can implement them, and does. Spell effects, class abilities, racial abilities, and so on are exceptions to these "standard cases"... and are implemented as such. GMs who want to modify these core things often need to use the Editor to create new special abilities or Mechanics to alter the way things work for one creature or as the new "standard" for all. Or, in some cases, they can use an Adjustment to achieve the same effect. So since Adjustments themselves are not part of the rules, but are tools to apply changes to the character, is it somehow how of a burden for the user to be expected to know when it is and is not appropriate to add "Enlarge Person" than it is to know when to add "Feats, Number" and give himself 20 more Feats? Pathfinder is indeed complex. Just as it can be difficult for a GM or player to know every rule, it is sometimes more daunting to try to implement every rule in a software tool. And to allow for every variation of "not usually, but in THIS case... " that comes out. So HeroLab implements the core, and places warnings on things that have requirements (Feats, Traits, Deity choices) where appropriate.. but because GMs often say "normally you can't, but ok this time" for all kinds of things, it doesn't force you not to do something. |
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No this is about 2 Enlarge bonuses stacking which shouldn't happen.
Basically the first enlarges you to large and the next to huge currently. And you shouldn't be going to huge because it is the same type of bonus. Titan's rage and important line of it: "This size increase lasts a number of rounds equal to your tier, and doesn’t stack with any other spell or ability that alters your size." The difference with the other threat is we are talking about the type and subtype check. (and the several versions that exists that is mentioned by the book mentioned in that threat). And the fact there are other ways to be enlarged while not coming specifically from that spell Last edited by Togainu; February 14th, 2017 at 01:00 PM. |
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If I am applying Enlarge Person it should apply the bonuses because we trust the gamer. Or we don't trust the gamer and we check all rules and apply or not apply as the rules say. Middle ground ideas are not solution's in my world. Hero Lab Resources: Pathfinder - d20pfsrd and Pathfinder Pack Setup 3.5 D&D (d20) - Community Server Setup 5E D&D - Community Server Setup Hero Lab Help - Hero Lab FAQ, Editor Tutorials and Videos, Editor & Scripting Resources. Created by the community for the community - Realm Works kickstarter backer (Alpha Wolf) and Beta tester.- d20 HL package volunteer editor. |
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Well the thing that is going on in the other threat is the debate of "enlarge person" only applying to humanoids as the spell states. But as the book that mentions the Fey stuff indicates. There is an "Enlarge Fey" version as well and that same text implies there are other version to even the extent of "Enlarge Monster" all doing the same thing. (just different type limitations to one that work on everyone) and instead of having 20 versions one without a type check would work is basically what the statement is in the other threat
That is why the thing is said in the other threat of the type check shouldn't be done. That together with items that enlarge you and other abilities that apply the same bonuses but don't have the type limit. But the same type bonuses stacking is a different story in that regard. Seeing that always applies. (either way enough about that. Cause I do know where you are coming from as well) |
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Yes and no.
Titan's Rage specifically says it does not stack with anything else that alters your size. That's what makes the stacking "wrong". But that has nothing to do with "Enlargement Bonus" .. because there is no such type of Bonus in Pathfinder. That being the case, ShadowChemosh's point remains... are adjustments in HeroLab supposed to be coded to recognize every possible variation of legal and illegal combinations? Or should the users be expected to check or know what is a valid combination before applying it? |
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