Not entirely accurate. Paizo is planning on continuing to print and sell the PF1 Core Rulebook, and I believe other rule books, in their softcover pocket editions (and PDF, I'm sure) as long as they are profitable. No new official content will be released, however.
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Not entirely accurate. Paizo is planning on continuing to print and sell the PF1 Core Rulebook, and I believe other rule books, in their softcover pocket editions (and PDF, I'm sure) as long as they are profitable. No new official content will be released, however.
ShadowChemosh
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Ah yes thanks for making that part clear for everyone. No new stuff is going to happen from Paizo for PF1. They even did say hard-back books will be available for awhile and "maybe" depending on sales do another print run.
Just to be 100% clear no one from Paizo is going to come to your home and take away your PF1 books.
Just to be 100% clear no one from Paizo is going to come to your home and take away your PF1 books.
They'll pry my rpg books from my cold, dead, ink-smeared hands!
Hopefully third party companies produce PF2 content instead. There is already so much PF1 content it would be decades before I run out.
I am really looking forward to this, I have been playing 3.x for 17+ years I need a change! I really want to play a new system, but most of my gaming friends are averse to change. Took me buying them the core rule book to get them to switch to Pathfinder. Probably need to do the same again here.
ShadowChemosh
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If they are smart they could easily produce the product for both PF1 and PF2 especially if its a module/adventure. Rule crunch would be harder to do for both but not impossible. Guess it would depend on how many people would actually buy PF1 stuff if its worth it or not.
This part I totally get. I realized the other day I have been DMing every two weeks for the last 14 years with no breaks! I found and dealt with every issue 3.X can give and if I was to stay with PF1 I would have had to more heavily invested in house-rules to smooth out low level and high level play.
But now I am hopeful that I don't have to do that!
I'm guessing a lot of that will simply depend on how PF2 is received in general. So far, I'm liking a lot of it. I'm not entirely happy about the way 'monsters' and 'NPC's' appear to be mechanically different things than PC's. That's still a pretty rough point for me with 5e, and am worried to see PF2 go a similar route - but there hasn't been any real details about that part so far, so it's not a major factor yet.
It would be fascinating to see if this could be done using layers or some other technique in PDFs. For example, Paizo already has interactive maps in PDF form, where clicking a button removes GM-only information from the map, or clicking another button toggles a grid.
What if a checkbox could toggle PF1 vs. PF2 rules crunch in the PDF? So the default state would be for PF2, but check the box and those statblocks become PF1 statblocks. (Probably would be nice to have a summary of all PF1 and/or all PF2 statblocks at the end of the book, since I have no idea how printing works with these types of PDFs. They probably print whatever is currently displayed on the screen, but I'm not positive.)
I hear that! I've got a charter subscription to Paizo's Adventure Path so I have all of the AP's in print and PDF form! I've only GM'd two and I've played in two others (and one more that is on-going). I've enough content to last the rest of my life!Toblakai said:
Of course, the LW datasets to support that in HL would cost me $$$ and that's where I'm torn. I don't plan to pick up any more, but that could change if a group of players were really interested in one of the APs. (Probably have them chip in to pay for it.
)Of course, the LW datasets to support that in HL would cost me $$$ and that's where I'm torn. I don't plan to pick up any more, but that could change if a group of players were really interested in one of the APs. (Probably have them chip in to pay for it.
"Return of the Runelords" the next AP coming out may be my last.
I think the problem with the 2-mode pdf, is that the 'real estate' of the stat blocks is likely going to be very different between editions, and paizo focuses far too much on print to do something like that. I think that the best you might find regarding future content, is a 1st edition supplement for the AP that includes the 'changes' required - possibly not even generated BY Paizo.
I believe there will still be a Spring 2019 AP for 1e as well (Feb-Jul, 2019). Then the first 2e AP will be the Aug19-Jan20 one.
Oh, I know, but m group (depending on who shows up) are in the middle of 6 AP, we meet weekly, but I don't expect to start a new AP until about the time Return comes out. I will be getting the last AP, but I suspect I won't be playing it.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I have so much existing content that is unplayed, that there really isn't any need to buy into something new.
With my console games (PS4), I skim the PlayStation store once a week to see if there's anything free or deeply discounted that I might want, but I don't spend more than $5-$10 bucks on a game. I recently picked up Metal Gear Solid for free (that's been a fun game), and there's enough available for those prices that I don't need bleeding edge games to be happy (and I'm not spending $60 on a game).
Perhaps, if LWD were to offer deep discounts on existing data sets, I might be enticed to pick up a few more. After all, when the beta is released, the demand for PF1 is going to drop and they might try to squeeze the last bit of blood out of those rocks... I'm just not sure I'll care enough that point to spend the money.
With my console games (PS4), I skim the PlayStation store once a week to see if there's anything free or deeply discounted that I might want, but I don't spend more than $5-$10 bucks on a game. I recently picked up Metal Gear Solid for free (that's been a fun game), and there's enough available for those prices that I don't need bleeding edge games to be happy (and I'm not spending $60 on a game).
Perhaps, if LWD were to offer deep discounts on existing data sets, I might be enticed to pick up a few more. After all, when the beta is released, the demand for PF1 is going to drop and they might try to squeeze the last bit of blood out of those rocks... I'm just not sure I'll care enough that point to spend the money.
ShadowChemosh
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I just double checked and your right. The "last" PF1 AP has not been announced yet and all Eric Mona says its a doozy!
This maybe the AP where they explain how goblins are sometimes "good". Wonder if it does have any world changing events in it. I know they said nothing big was going to happen to Golarion but something is changing I think.
The playtest adventure Doomsday Dawn has been confirmed by James Jacobs to be about the 4718 AR Dominion of the Black countdown clocks. That is pretty cool!
ShadowChemosh
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Its possible for this to happen. I am not really familiar with non-D&D like games. But has LW done that for any other game system? I mean d20 game system still sells for the full $30 dollar price and that is what 15 years out of date at this time.Perhaps, if LWD were to offer deep discounts on existing data sets, I might be enticed to pick up a few more. After all, when the beta is released, the demand for PF1 is going to drop and they might try to squeeze the last bit of blood out of those rocks... I'm just not sure I'll care enough that point to spend the money.
Its possible for this to happen. I am not really familiar with non-D&D like games. But has LW done that for any other game system? I mean d20 game system still sells for the full $30 dollar price and that is what 15 years out of date at this time.
The problem is, more than likely 1/3 - 1/2 the cost of PF1E content is paid to Paizo as licensing. So if they discount it deeply, they won't make much money.
I was thinking Return of the Rune lords was going to be a doozy.. characters to level 20, fight lots of rune lords.. wonder what the last one will be. I hope I can convert it to PF2E, because I won't be getting to it for a while.
ShadowChemosh
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I agree with the idea that LW has a VERY small profit margin for what it sells. I disagree with that much is being paid to Paizo. Mostly because if it was that high LW would have been better off just using the OGL and selling the data sets without having to pay anything to Paizo. Pretty much guarantee Rob worked out a much better deal than half cost.
Really I think LW has kept their costs down and profit margin down too low over the years. They should have been raising the cost every year and the coming of HLO was a perfect time to double or triple the cost of HLO data sets. That could have allowed them to remove the subscription price all together (maybe). I can only speak for myself but I would rather spend more money per data set than the monthly subscription as I can't see the $2.50 a month really doing much to help LW. Based on the extra $30 bucks a year/person LW is getting just seems easier to increase cost of each Package instead to get more money. Because the servers have to stay on anyway and disk space has to be used no matter if a person is paying the subscription cost or not. If I stop paying a year from now LW still has to keep my characters on disk because I could restart the subscription back up at any time. Hell how much disk space is being used by "demo" accounts.
Without knowing all of LW costs/expenses know way to know if this would work financially. But for myself it feels like a better deal.
I know. Wonder if it will be really a doozy or something that is only a doozy if you know every abstract Golarion piece of lore.
