Pathfinder Unchained

[Schedim]

Has there been any thoughts about this?
Pathfinder Unchained

Is it mechanically to different or way out to the left for inclusion?

[ShadowChemosh]

The Authoring "kit" which is what LW uses to make Pathfinder is incredibly flexible. It may take some time but Mathias and Aaron are wizards with it so I see no reason why it will not get fully added.

So if something is "really" crazy it may not come out the day of release but it will get added. Just like all the other things got added (ARG, Mythic, Ultimate Campaign, armies) etc...

[Schedim]

Yeah, I wasn't really expecting HL to fail, as much as "this is to complicated to lay down the work to add it" factor.

I tries to learn to tame this beast, but there is something in the logic that still eludes me, making it difficult, but one day my learning curve will be above the threshold, and I will soar to new heights...

[Exmortis]

Pathfinder unchained will pose difficulties as it changes core classes/rules, and if you do not want unchained it would have not make those changes to the core rules.

Personally I think this represents a huge failure in my opinion of Paizo, never mix and match versions, now we have updated "some" rules/classes and but not others.

Very disappointed they are heading down the same road Wizards did before. But more so this must be a nightmare update for HL, as our group right now hs decided to leave unchained where we think it belongs, in the trash, but others may embrace it and love it, but HL will have to find away to support them both.

[radionausea]

I don't think its going to be particularly hard to implement (I say without seeing it). My feeling is that the summoner is going to look a lot like the spiritualist, monk will have full BAB and some more things it can do with ki, the barbarian will have its rage mechanic changed to something more like the pool system most other classes now use. Have no idea about the rogue though. There will probably be a check box on the configure your hero menu to choose of you're using (an) unchained class(es).

The changes to iterative attacks whatever they are will also have check boxes to enable them.

This won't be sweeping changes to the system, its a series of optional rules. More like Unearthed Arcana than 3.0>3.5

[ShadowChemosh]

Originally Posted by Exmortis

Pathfinder unchained will pose difficulties as it changes core classes/rules, and if you do not want unchained it would have not make those changes to the core rules.

For all purposes these represent "new" rules not changes. You activate the "source" or not. Boom done!

Originally Posted by Exmortis

Personally I think this represents a huge failure in my opinion of Paizo, never mix and match versions, now we have updated "some" rules/classes and but not others.

Good thing its NOT a new version or an update to the rules. So you won't be disappointed at all! Just like how Unearthed Arcana was not a NEW rule set. Its a large number of variant rules. You use them or you don't. No different than Army Rules, City Building Rules, Downtime rules, retraining rules, Armor as DR, Words of Power, and dozens of other Variant rules Paizo has done.

None of them is a "new" version and neither is this.

Originally Posted by Exmortis

Very disappointed they are heading down the same road Wizards did before. But more so this must be a nightmare update for HL, as our group right now hs decided to leave unchained where we think it belongs, in the trash, but others may embrace it and love it, but HL will have to find away to support them both.

If Paizo was heading towards what WotC I would be disappointed also but sense they are going no where NEAR that path we can all stay happy!

[Schedim]

As I'm a habitual tinkerer I just love to see what options and ideas they bring to the table this time!

[Chemlak]

I'm sure someone at LWD has thought of this, but I'm hoping that the new class variants aren't all-or-nothing: I want to be able to use the new rogue, but not the new barbarian (or vice-versa, or whatever other combination is suitable).

[AndrewD2]

My guess is the new classes will be entered as separate classes and be called something like Monk (Unchained), Rogue (Unchained), etc.

[nullPointer]

Since they're all variants; probably the easiest way to implement them would be along the lines of Archetypes
I.e. add class "Monk", Archetype "Unchained Monk", or something along those lines; It could replace all or any of the appropriate class abilities with others, leaving behind anything that would stay the same
As well, it would still allow other Archetypes to be used (or, alternatively, if others get errata'd to replace [core]A ~or~ [unchained]B, it'd just take a tweak to how archetypes work; potentially along the lines of prereqs)

Of course, we can't really tell until either a playtest or the real deal comes out in a few weeks, but we can always brainstorm

The above is how I'd do it without rewriting the entire character engine

Alternatively, of course, they could be built as new classes, but in that case there'd be reams and reams of already-defined rules/abilities/things that use the core abilities as prereqs, that would all need to be extended to support the potential new abilities