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I agree, and it's one of the reasons I use HeroLab. However, again, until Paizo says otherwise this should be in addition to the existing content, it is not an "updated" version. |
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I can tell you from doing work on this book for HL that things that have significant differences between the old and AvG version a new version is made and the old version is labeled with the book it comes from. Otherwise, things get updated. There is a lot of discussion behind the scenes on this.
For example, the Steel Falcon prestige class is significantly different between the AvG and the original Andoran book, so there will be two versions. The old version being renamed Steel Falcon (Andoran). Something similar is done withe the Aldori Swordlord prestige class (in this book) vs. the archetype which has been around since the primer. Most of the updates are tweaks to the language of abilities and done really affect their in game effect significantly. |
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However, this book is "experimental" ... putting out a book in the RPG-line (normally world-neutral) that draws on Golarion-specific content. As such, and as James Jacobs it the "Lead Developer" of the book, his opinion this time could very well be the final word. |
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It's better in 99% of cases if we just integrate minor changes to an ability's text into a single version of the ability. If your gaming group wants to keep using the older version, you're free to use the text from the PRD or PDF instead, and just ignore the changes in Hero Lab. As Frumple said, for a few of the new classes / archetypes in the AG, the changes were major enough that we created new versions of the class / archetype for them. If we followed that path everywhere, the data files would take longer to download and be more confusing to use, so we try to avoid it unless the changes pass a reasonable threshold. |
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Can someone from LW please send me a user file with a copy of the ioun stones before the updates from the book are applied? Because this is a large shift it would be nice to move these to a community file for those who want to use the legacy versions.
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My take is, just like in 3.5 days, the latest printing of the rules is the version that should be used. WotC did this and now Paizo does also. It seems like a common method for small game companies to fix issues. Hero Lab Resources: Pathfinder - d20pfsrd and Pathfinder Pack Setup 3.5 D&D (d20) - Community Server Setup 5E D&D - Community Server Setup Hero Lab Help - Hero Lab FAQ, Editor Tutorials and Videos, Editor & Scripting Resources. Created by the community for the community - Realm Works kickstarter backer (Alpha Wolf) and Beta tester.- d20 HL package volunteer editor. |
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Overall, I can see LWD is in a tougher position, though. They have an official license, and that pretty much means they have to conform to what Paizo decides is the official version of these things. At the same time, they have their own paying customers to consider, and avoiding causing them inconvenience is also necessary. |
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Can you be very clear to your point? My main point is I DO NOT WANT multiple classes with the same name in HL. This will cause ridiculous levels of confusion to my players. Most HL users I deal with now refuse to even read a book or have a bood with the rules and only go by HL. So having "two" classes to pick from is going to confuse them. They will have NO WAY to know which version to use as most can't/don't track which book just came out or when. Now lets add to the issue that from the past changes d20pfsrd will simply "update" the class text to the latest printing. This leads to more confusion if the text from d20pfsrd does not match HL. If the text abilities don't match they will complain to me to put in a bug report(s). Then I have to try and explain about books and versions and UG all I will get is a blank look of dear in headlights. Hero Lab Resources: Pathfinder - d20pfsrd and Pathfinder Pack Setup 3.5 D&D (d20) - Community Server Setup 5E D&D - Community Server Setup Hero Lab Help - Hero Lab FAQ, Editor Tutorials and Videos, Editor & Scripting Resources. Created by the community for the community - Realm Works kickstarter backer (Alpha Wolf) and Beta tester.- d20 HL package volunteer editor. |
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