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Now that Paizo has announced a second edition for pathfinder, what does this mean for Hero Lab online for the first edition pathfinder, will it be added to HLO? There is a year and half gap at this point, on when second edition will be released so there is time yet for this to happen. I do not know how much slippage can happen with the release of second edition, but depending on how the playtest goes the release date could potentially be pushed back further, so this could create a bigger gap than a year and half.
Another question is will Lone wolf still support first edition in classic mode and HLO (if released) once second edition is released? My current group is mixed with the news, but for the near future we will be sticking with first edition and it would suck to loose Hero Lab support. I work in IT so I know there end of life for software and hardware. While I know support cannot be indefinite, for first edition, it would be nice to know if there was a sunset provision for first edition on when that would be and what that means. Does the first edition keep working, but if you find an issue with Hero Lab, it will not be fixed. Will the community still be able to work on it? I know Paizo plans on keep the PDF of first around and keep printing the pocket editions in print until demand is no longer there, but what does that mean for companies like Lone Wolf? I know it take time to plan for these things, so I am not looking for an answer today, Lone Wolf has a year and half to figure it out, but I though the questions should be asked. I will continue to buy packages for first edition as I need them, but information on what is coming is always a good thing. Thanks for great software and support! |
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I can add that d20 is supported by the community with new fixes and additions to this very day. On the one side they are still working on adding all the classes, feats and spells from 3.5 WotC days.
On the good side all of Pathfinder would be be available in HL and would hopefully for a few years still get regular bug fixes. Hero Lab Resources: Pathfinder - d20pfsrd and Pathfinder Pack Setup 3.5 D&D (d20) - Community Server Setup 5E D&D - Community Server Setup Hero Lab Help - Hero Lab FAQ, Editor Tutorials and Videos, Editor & Scripting Resources. Created by the community for the community - Realm Works kickstarter backer (Alpha Wolf) and Beta tester.- d20 HL package volunteer editor. |
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For a comparison, look at how in desktop HL we have both M&M 2e and M&M 3e, CoC 6e and CoC 7e, and Shadowrun 4e and Shadowrun 5e, and have active support (including occasional bug fixes and even additional content from obscure sources) for those older editions even though the lines are officially "finished". |
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Unfortunately, I fully expect Lone Wolf to decide to support PF2 in HLO only, at which point I will sadly no longer be a customer of theirs.
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Along those lines, I would think that if PF was on HLO, they could then drop iPad logic/support as the iPad could just use the HLO? Although you loose offline unless they change that... For offline, why not package up an application build that is basically the "server" logic and the UI would just be a "Web view" to that localhost? Then you have one code base? Take the Discord app as an example, it's simply a web application, and the OS install is really just installing a custom Chromium build displaying the web app. (ok, not the exact same thing but...) All in all, their are ways to solve offline use unless they really have other motives to force users to use web browser/server. Also, I really don't see myself throwing away a couple hundred dollars of Hero Lab investment and probably won't invest in any more data packages until I know where we are heading (and I'm not putting that all on LW, but I assume they know more than us from Paizon). I would consider paying 35$ for Pathfinder 2.0 IF my current source material came over with it from Pathfinder 1.0. Or a nominal "transfer" fee if those data packages needed changes because of 2.0. (if a book only had some feats and spells in it, and feats and spells still have the same format in 2.0, then I see no reason why I can't use it with 2.0). I'm going out on an assumption that Pazio does NOT want us to throw away our 1.0 source material and it will be largely compatible (outside of statblocks). -Jamz RPTools.net | MapTool Discord Invite Download Latest MapTool Release | Download Latest TokenTool Release |
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I'm excited to see how Lone Wolf supports Pathfinder 2.0!
I just wanted to throw my hat in and say that I would love to see PF2 supported in Hero Lab in whatever form makes the most sense. Continue the great work guys! |
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Right now, I'm reserving judgment on PF2 until after the playtest.
I don't use the desktop version of HL. It's too clunky -- it doesn't support copy/paste from any text field, doesn't allow font size changes (I'm on macOS and I'm used to using Cmd-{+-} to enlarge/reduce font sizes), and just generally feels like it comes from the 1980's. The UI feels like it was designed by someone who failed their usability training classes: clicking text instead of using buttons? Seriously? The only reason I bought HL was for the iPad app. That's a gorgeous interface! It doesn't have everything that the desktop version has (like equipment sets, or a popup window with gear values) but if HL "sunsets" the iPad version (ShadowChemosh's words, not LW's) then I'll be dropping HL. That would be a shame, but c'est la vie! |
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Once HLO supports Pathfinder, and I can transfer my licenses, I'll be all over that.
If existing adventures (PF 1.0) can have their stat blocks converted to (PF 2.0) easily and on the fly, our group will probably migrate. If it's an entirely new system... not sure. We have almost everything Paizo has published for Pathfinder already and at least a dozen full campaigns to run still. A big thing, will be whether the 2.0 version supports Path of War/Expanded characters, Spheres of Power and Spheres of Might, as that is what everyone is playing (plus the occasional Ultimate Psionics character) even though Vancian casting is on the table, along with everything else. |
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All this speculation, oh my! From what I read on the Paizo forums it is anyone's guess since they want to make some changes based on what the playtests show as working better than the original model (1.0). The main changes will most likely come from the way we do action economy and other rules. Stat blocks will remain mostly intact and that is from the mouths of the creators themselves. So monster manuals are safe, for the most part. The core rulebook will be where the biggest changes come from in the form of game mechanic changes. Basically I see alot of D&D 5th rules being implemented, but with Pathfinder flavor (i.e. Touch ac and the like).
As for LW's ability to convert the Pathfinder stuff from 1.0 to 2.0 may be a bit tricky if they do change the action economy, but let's be real here just like all the other game systems there will be options for Pathfinder 1.0 and 2.0 just like there are for D&D, Shadowrun, etc etc. The best part I can say for certain is the conversion of material updated to Pathfinder 1.0 will be easy to update to Pathfinder 2.0. I remember the creators saying that the action economy in their eyes will be "easier, yet still have 3 parts" similar to Standard Move and Swift actions. Hell it may just require a simple renaming update to all the packages and boom you are running 2.0! Forum link for my content work: Pathfinder Thread Forum link for SU 5e content work: 5e Steven Universe Thread This link is for my group, but feel free to play it with: DMM 5e | "https://www.dropbox.com/s/vsd9w1eodlnwjq0/updatesDMM.xml?dl=1" Copy this link to your update manager to get updates when available. This adds the Pisky subrace to elves from Berserk! and additional subraces for the Gem Race. Please post comments in the provided threads above. Last edited by DeltaMasterMind; March 10th, 2018 at 05:06 PM. |
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