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While on the SM subject: [Was Request to Colin McSkrill]

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> A *VERY* controversial rules change for all GTs and RTs. From the GW
website
> GT page--

All well and good *IF* you play in RTs or GTs - the 'clarification' hasnt
seen light of day in White Dwarf and thus is unofficial.


Jimi

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--- In armybuilder@y..., "TAGARNO A/S - Niels Peter Gibe" <np@t...>
wrote:

> Now I am no SM player (I play 'nids, Eldar and Sisters in case want
to know), but as I understand the rally rules, there are three things
that has to be fulfilled before a unit may rally:
>
> A - unit must be coherent
> B - unit strength must be above 50%
> C - no enemy unit may be within 6".
>
> As far as I understand the ATSKNF rule, a space marine squad may
ignore rule B above, but must still follow the other two. This means
that a SM unit will not "...always regroup if they fall back, even
if...".
>
I agree that the 3 points you make a valid and apply anytime a unit is
attempting to ralley at the beginning of their movement phase. The
arguement arises when you look at fine print wording of the various
rules. That's where the hair splitting comes.

Marines don't auto-ralley on the beginning of their movement. It
states that they ralley at the end of their fall-back. Because of
this, they are almost always more than 6" away (the premise being that
the marines ralley prior to the pursuing sweep). This is one of the
loopholes that seems to be exploited most in justifying the rule in
question.

I don't necessarily agree with this arguement, but it is the only one
that I have heard that supports the 'official' policy of marines
always ralley.

As a side note, as I understand it, it is possible to chase marines
off a board. Marines always ralley (get to ignore the 50% rule), or
at the end of their fall back. So, when marines break and flee off
the board, they auto-ralley on the edge. If they break again, they
flee off. Of course this may be a 'house rule' that has been repeated
so much that nobody remembers the source.




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--- In armybuilder@y..., "Jimi" <james.tubman@b...> wrote:
> > A *VERY* controversial rules change for all GTs and RTs. From the
GW
> website
> > GT page--
>
> All well and good *IF* you play in RTs or GTs - the 'clarification'
hasnt
> seen light of day in White Dwarf and thus is unofficial.
>
>
> Jimi


But the wording of ATSKNF says NOTHING about being able to ignore the
requirements for squad coherency or no enemies within 6". It doesn't
need a White Dwarf Chapter Approved ruling because this is how the
rule was written in the codex and should have been played since day
one.


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> But the wording does say "always"... and I read the "even if" part as a
> clarification of always regrouping. Even though they didn't clarify
> coherency or no enemies within 6", it does say ALWAYS.

Correct.


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> It is suppose to appear in print also.

When it does its official...until then...it aint :-)

I game at 3 GW shops - none of them use the new 'clarification'. :-)


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At 12:40 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, Alex Morano wrote:
>
> Honestly, does it matter outside of a sactioned tournament game?

And does it really belong on the AB list? It's getting a little old to
those of us who couldn't care less about 40K.


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