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What does Pathfinder 2nd Edition mean for RW?
- Thread starter Grey Mage
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Would it effect anything? If the issue is a way for Paizo to verify RW users already have a Paizo pdf before buying on the content market, does it matter what version of Pathfinder the product is? Plus if they follow their playtest method from 2008, it will be 2-3 years before they switch to Pathfinder 2e.
Mystic Lemur
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RW is a system-neutral product. I will still be buying Pathfinder (1e) materials, because not only will 1e still be played, but the adventure content will still be usable in other systems.
This. I converted Village of Hommlet from the 1st ed version I own to PF with ease. It was simply a matter of entering all the story and settings material as is and then converting the rules stuff. If WotC was to ever decide to partner with LWD getting all the classic modules converted to 5e would be ridiculously easy. I could see converting Temple of Elemental Evil, Against the Giants and
Descent into the Depths made into a sort of classic AP.
dungeonguru
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I thought Goodman Games had a license to do conversions and reprints of classic modules - I know B1 & B2 (Into the Unknown/Keep on the Borderlands) were supposed to come out soon, maybe they'll do more.
I'd pay good for a real conversion or successor to T1-4 and even the sequel from 3e though.
I'd pay good for a real conversion or successor to T1-4 and even the sequel from 3e though.
dungeonguru
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Gord, Grey Mage,
I apologize for not recognizing your obviously superior age and knowledge, I will petition to get you dinosaurized if you want though. I unfortunately didn't get to do too much playing before the red box came out, the materials were just hard to get for me growing up in the sticks. It took a small cabal (as the church called us eventually) just to get a Waldenbooks to carry AD&D in the bible belt.
And Gord, I think I had a copy of The Demon Hand at one point, so I'm jealous of your username every time I see it.
I apologize for not recognizing your obviously superior age and knowledge, I will petition to get you dinosaurized if you want though. I unfortunately didn't get to do too much playing before the red box came out, the materials were just hard to get for me growing up in the sticks. It took a small cabal (as the church called us eventually) just to get a Waldenbooks to carry AD&D in the bible belt.
And Gord, I think I had a copy of The Demon Hand at one point, so I'm jealous of your username every time I see it.
Viking2054
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playing with your wood since 77 sounds so sad. 
At the risk of turning this thread into an old gits gathering, the mere mention of Hommlet and the Temple of Elemental Evil take me right back to around the early 80's and box sets and the first AD&D Dungeon Masters Guide.
There's still a few of us silver-haired old characters lurking between the threads. Thought I'd raise my head for this one.
To get back on topic - editions come and editions go (and we've seen many), yet they come with more complexity, color, character, combat, variations, alternatives, updates, convertions, extras and add-ons. But despite these plentiful modifications (especially since the 80's) I think RealmWorks will accommodate whatever comes easily.
There's still a few of us silver-haired old characters lurking between the threads. Thought I'd raise my head for this one.
To get back on topic - editions come and editions go (and we've seen many), yet they come with more complexity, color, character, combat, variations, alternatives, updates, convertions, extras and add-ons. But despite these plentiful modifications (especially since the 80's) I think RealmWorks will accommodate whatever comes easily.
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It means they need to get strategic and start preparing content and licenses for the systems that are going to bring them in revenue.
Paizo have lost significant market share with the success of 5e and on top of that WOTC have increased the size of that market beyond what it was previously. WOTC have just reported that 2017 was their best year ever for sales. Source
Paizo will want some of that pie which I suspect will mean they will lower the complexity of Pathfinder 2.0 in order to attract 5e players but will in turn piss of 1.0 players. They will predict this and try to find a way to attract both crowds.
Safe to say its going to be really interesting to see what happens next.
LWD will no doubt already be in discussions with Paizo on support for 2.0. I would be surprised if they did not know about this long before now.
One thing is certain though. The majority of the potential market for Realm Works is not playing the primary system they support. If they want to be truly successful they need to adapt and speed up in order to support the systems that people are playing because that is where the $$ is.
The data below paints a picture of what people are playing. Both Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds only recently started supporting Pathfinder but I have confirmed the similar split is occurring in the sale of pdf and print material through Frog God Games. 2018 will show better data but I suspect the split between Pathfinder and 5e will remain similar. DMsGuild has recently reported that it is now seeing more traffic than DriveThruRPG.
One important take away is this... Hero Lab, Hero Lab Online and Realm Works are not the most popular tools in their markets. It's niche software with the potential to appeal to a much larger player base.
Paizo have lost significant market share with the success of 5e and on top of that WOTC have increased the size of that market beyond what it was previously. WOTC have just reported that 2017 was their best year ever for sales. Source
Paizo will want some of that pie which I suspect will mean they will lower the complexity of Pathfinder 2.0 in order to attract 5e players but will in turn piss of 1.0 players. They will predict this and try to find a way to attract both crowds.
Safe to say its going to be really interesting to see what happens next.
LWD will no doubt already be in discussions with Paizo on support for 2.0. I would be surprised if they did not know about this long before now.
One thing is certain though. The majority of the potential market for Realm Works is not playing the primary system they support. If they want to be truly successful they need to adapt and speed up in order to support the systems that people are playing because that is where the $$ is.
The data below paints a picture of what people are playing. Both Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds only recently started supporting Pathfinder but I have confirmed the similar split is occurring in the sale of pdf and print material through Frog God Games. 2018 will show better data but I suspect the split between Pathfinder and 5e will remain similar. DMsGuild has recently reported that it is now seeing more traffic than DriveThruRPG.
One important take away is this... Hero Lab, Hero Lab Online and Realm Works are not the most popular tools in their markets. It's niche software with the potential to appeal to a much larger player base.
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