Treat different capitalizations as unique names

[Randall Jhen]

Allow differently capitalized aliases for Case Sensitive case matching

Howdy.

I'm working on putting some Invisible Sun stuff into Realm Works. In that game, the eight (no, nine) realms are classified by colors: The Indigo Sun, the Blue Sun, the Green Sun, the Gold Sun, etc.

Colloquially, they are "the Blue," "the Green," "the Gold," etc.

Ideally, I could input two identically spelled but differently capitalized names, with Sensitive name matching, and save myself the headache of every single color reference popping up.

Public Name: Green Sun (case matching Auto Correct)
Other Name: The Green (case matching Sensitive)
Other Name: the Green (case matching Sensitive)

Thanks!

 

[Farling]

So, in the NAMES part of the topic, set the matching to case sensitive.

 

[Silveras]

Sadly, in my experience, the name list duplicate check for a Topic is case-insensitive regardless of whether the individual names are case-sensitive.

 

[kbs666]

I would be very opposed to different capitalization forms being different names.

As an example in my SF realm I have the "Alderson Jump Drive," with "Alderson Drive" as an alternate name, as the name of the topic that describes the device. The device is referred to, in various other entries, as the Alderson jump drive, The Alderson Drive and the Alderson drive. I also do things like this all over my Pathfinder realm but I was just working on the SF one so it came to mind first.

 

[Randall Jhen]

So, in the NAMES part of the topic, set the matching to case sensitive.

Alas, if I set "The Green" to case sensitive, "the Green" will not be captured.

I have the "Alderson Jump Drive," with "Alderson Drive" as an alternate name, as the name of the topic that describes the device. The device is referred to, in various other entries, as the Alderson jump drive, The Alderson Drive and the Alderson drive.

In this case, you wouldn't need to set the alternate names to case sensitive, so any combination of upper- and lowercase would be fine

 

[kbs666]

In this case, you wouldn't need to set the alternate names to case sensitive, so any combination of upper- and lowercase would be fine

Then I have literally no idea what you are asking for.

If AB is distinct from ab and Ab and aB then you would absolutely have to include three as alternate names of one. I would find that incredibly unpleasant, and it would break dozens of existing links.

 

[Farling]

Alas, if I set "The Green" to case sensitive, "the Green" will not be captured.

In which setting up "Green" as an alternative name would work. As long as you don't start any sentences with that colour

Otherwise, could you add a question into the OP so that we know for what you asking help with.

 

[Randall Jhen]

There are more than a thousand spells and magic items in Invisible Sun. Each of them has a color associated with them. This is formatted as:

GOETIC’S MAT
Level: 3
Form: Woven cloth mat with a protective circle stitched into it
This functions as a protective circle, but takes only an action to unroll and put into place.
Object Depletion: —
Color: Invisible

Thus, for every instance of Invisible, Green, Blue, etc., I have to ignore on auto-detect. If I could tell Realm Works to recognize "the Green," I would never capture "Green" at the start of a sentence when used as an adjective, which is good. But I would also never capture "The Green" at the start of a sentence, which is bad.

 

[kbs666]

I see the problem now. You want to use the CSV tool to import a shed load of spells and magic items, 99+% of which will never get used or linked to, and turn on auto accept to save time on the linking after doing so.

I strongly do not want this change as it would literally break my main realm and any future realms would be made incredibly and unpleasantly tedious to set up.

 

[Randall Jhen]

I fail to see how this would break or complicate anything, but I don't know how to explain it differently.

 

[kbs666]

I already explained this.

If AB is a topic name and ab, Ab and aB are distinct names then anyone who creates a topic that might use any of those forms has to create those all as alternative names and going forward after such a change was made any new use of existing names where users are used to mixing capitalizations without issue would have issues.

 

[Silveras]

I already explained this.

If AB is a topic name and ab, Ab and aB are distinct names then anyone who creates a topic that might use any of those forms has to create those all as alternative names and going forward after such a change was made any new use of existing names where users are used to mixing capitalizations without issue would have issues.

Except that this does not work.
Once you enter "AB"... "Ab", "aB", and "ab" are not allowed as additional aliases. They are seen as duplicates of "AB" and the "ok" button remains disabled until all such "duplicates" are removed. (see attached image)

Perhaps it is a bug that has not been recognized as one before?

 

[kbs666]

Except that this does not work.
Once you enter "AB"... "Ab", "aB", and "ab" are not allowed as additional aliases. They are seen as duplicates of "AB" and the "ok" button remains disabled until all such "duplicates" are removed. (see attached image)

Perhaps it is a bug that has not been recognized as one before?

Right now there is zero need for this so why should it work? My point is that if different capitalizations become distinct names, what the op is requesting, then you'd have to be able to do that to make what works right now work at all.

 

[Farling]

Except that this does not work.
Once you enter "AB"... "Ab", "aB", and "ab" are not allowed as additional aliases. They are seen as duplicates of "AB" and the "ok" button remains disabled until all such "duplicates" are removed. (see attached image)

Perhaps it is a bug that has not been recognized as one before?

This does seem like a bug. Since it if worked properly then it would allow the OP to do what he is wanting.

 

[Randall Jhen]

I already explained this.

If AB is a topic name and ab, Ab and aB are distinct names then anyone who creates a topic that might use any of those forms has to create those all as alternative names and going forward after such a change was made any new use of existing names where users are used to mixing capitalizations without issue would have issues.

Why would someone used to mixing capitalizations not have Case Sensitivity set to Ignore?

 

[kbs666]

Why would someone used to mixing capitalizations not have Case Sensitivity set to Ignore?

How would that be relevant anymore if every capitalization variation is to become a different name?

If that isn't your proposal, it is literally the name of your proposal, then explain WTF you actually want.

 

[Randall Jhen]

How would that be relevant anymore if every capitalization variation is to become a different name?

If that isn't your proposal, it is literally the name of your proposal, then explain WTF you actually want.

1. I get that you're frustrated, but dude. There's no need for the aggressive tone you've had from the start.

2. From my original post.

Ideally, I could input two identically spelled but differently capitalized names, with Sensitive name matching, and save myself the headache of every single color reference popping up.

 

[kbs666]

1. I get that you're frustrated, but dude. There's no need for the aggressive tone you've had from the start.

2. From my original post.

That already exists! You have to put in the different forms as alternate names if you want them to link. I just tested it and it works.

But making them into distinct names breaks my realms, and I'm sure a lot of others.

 

[Silveras]

That already exists! You have to put in the different forms as alternate names if you want them to link. I just tested it and it works.

Could you share HOW? As my post with screen-shot earlier shows, using the GUI it does not accept what you're saying you have done... so I'd honestly like to know how.

 

[kbs666]

Create a topic, name it "Green," open Manage Names, set "Green" Case Matching to sensitive. Create another topic named _anything but Green_, use Green and green in snippets. Only "Green" will be found to be a valid name to link.

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