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Text Snippet Trouble. Plz help.

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Sevrick

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Ok so when I go to categories and make a new template or edit an existing one and I add a tag snippet to parent category, then create a new category to add stuff to it automatically adds a text snippet, even though there is none in the template.
For example:
1. Overview
---->Snippet Types
------->Tag snippet
2. Abilites..etc

Then it shows up like this when I go to add one:

1. Overview
*Tag snippet
*TEXT SNIPPET<----------------I didn't tell it to give me this!!!

Does anyone know how to fix this? Plz help, it is so frustrating.
 
You can always delete it. After you finish your entry for a topic, you can choose to delete all empty snippets from the menu.. so that would save some work per-topic.

I'm not sure why it would be a big problem.. you never have to reveal it to your players, so they would never see it unless you wanted them to, for example.

I don't know of any way to prevent it from appearing though, no.
 
The assumption is that the vast majority of users will typically enter SOMETHING in the way of text into each section that they plan on using, so a default text snippet is created for that purpose. Since this is the first time I can think of that anyone has mentioned this as an issue seems to validate that assumption.

The assumption is also that users will not be entering complete information for every topic. For example, the local bakery typically won't be detailed nearly as much as the local tavern where the PCs hang out and gather information for the campaign. So users can readily "prune" all unused snippets (and optionally sections) once they've finished entering the appropriate info for a given topic. This includes the auto-created snippet in the section that you don't want.

There is a menu choice to invoke pruning on the Options menu that's accessibly in the header region at the top of the content pane. There is also a keyboard shortcut for it, since this is a frequently used operation for many users.

Hope this helps! :)
 
Rob: here's a request thread to not add text snippets from 2014.

I personally want it for sections that only contain other types of snippets, which I think is still handled inconsistently but I am not at a computer to check. The use case in that thread's initial post (container sections) still stands, though.

Added: Guess I'm not the only one who remembered that one. Yay!
 
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I don't think you guys are understanding what I am saying. When I add a tag to the category if there is not a text snippet it will add one automatically. This annoying. Now when ever I add a new item it automatically adds that text snippet and I have to delete it every time. For mass entries it is very frustrating.
I don't see why they add something you didn't tell it to add. Just give me what expect, my label snippet, nothing more nothing less.
 
Sevrick said:
I don't think you guys are understanding what I am saying. When I add a tag to the category if there is not a text snippet it will add one automatically. This annoying. Now when ever I add a new item it automatically adds that text snippet and I have to delete it every time. For mass entries it is very frustrating.
I don't see why they add something you didn't tell it to add. Just give me what expect, my label snippet, nothing more nothing less.
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I think you need to provide us with a step-by-step sequence of operations, preferably with pictures. I understand that you are getting frustrated, but we can't actually SEE what's going on, and you're words are not detailed enough for us to accurately understand what you're saying.
 
ibecker said:
Actually, Rob, this has been brought up before: Sections without snippets

Like all other Realm Works default settings, it would be awfully nice if those of us who don't like the default could change it.

-Ian
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Thank goodness I included the obligatory disclaimer ("that I can think of"). I honestly had no memory of that thread, most likely because it's lain dormant for close to two years. I stand, er, sit, corrected. Sorry about the foggy memory, folks! :)
 
I'm pretty sure Sevrick is talking about the same thing I don't like (noted in the second post in the Sections without snippets thread) where even Sections with defined Snippets get a Text Snippet. The steps would be:

Create a new Topic Category.
Add a Tags Snippet to that Category's only Section.
Save it.
Go to the World Almanac.
Create a new Topic using that Category.

Result: The new Topic has a Tags Snippet and an undesired Text Snippet.

Expected: Only the snippets defined in the section would appear.

Note: You can make an Article Category and Article instead, doesn't matter. You can (IIRC) add all the non-Text Snippets you want; if there isn't a Text Snippet RW automatically adds one.
 
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I read @Sevrick's post differently. It sounds like he's stating that a text snippet is added at a different time, which is surprising to me. That's what prompted me to ask for step-by-step instructions.

If it's just a matter of the snippet being added at topic creation, I don't think he would have reacted as he did to the pruning suggestion. So it sounds like something else is going on here that I want to understand.
 
Looks standard to me. Nothing a CTRL-SHIFT-` can't fix quickly and painlessly.

It's not an unreasonable request. But LWD has a running list of well over 1000 not unreasonable requests. I'd suggest that you add this to your responses on the next feature survey which should be coming shortly after the Marketplace is implemented. (Based on previous history, please keep in mind that shortly of course is a relative term...).
 
Yep. This is normal behavior. As was indicated above, this is something on the insanely long list of things we need to do.

Everything on that list is critical to somebody and useless to someone else. That's why we have the surveys. The survey results let us make the largest percentage of users happy. Or, if your a "glass is half-empty" type, the survey results let us make the smallest percentage of users unhappy. :)

Once we get the Content Market out and solidly established, we'll be doing another survey. You can lobby hard to get out the vote for this change when that occurs. :)

P.S. Thanks for the screenshots. It made things a whole lot clearer to me, as I was worried it might be something else you were running into based solely on the wording of your posts.
 
Sevrick, I recommend you add your voice to the Sections without snippets Request thread. It'll show that there's still interest in that suggestion despite nobody bringing it up for a while.


A bit of meandering

Note that if there is even one Snippet or Section you wish to leave that hasn't been assigned content yet, you can't use Ctrl-Backtick or Ctrl-Shift-Backtick. So it's not always a useful workaround.

This goes back to a difference in philosophy between LWD's setup (the Global Categories and Tag Domains) and myself. From earlier:

rob said:
The assumption is also that users will not be entering complete information for every topic.
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This assumption goes with how LWD built a lot of "suggestions" into the Global Categories: a set of generic things about which you might want to write when adding an instance of the Category.

I don't design a lot of "suggestions" into my Categories. I don't find that I need them. Normally I know what I want to write about a thing, so when defining a Category for it I fit the definition to what I know I usually write. If I find that I missed something or a Snippet/Section/etc. isn't being used, I update the Category or create a new one. I still have a few often-left-empty Snippets/Sections here and there (typically to match the book descriptions) but not many. So, in general, if I Auto Add a Snippet, I want it whether or not I've added content to it yet.

However, many of my Categories have a section without a Text Snippet as they only need a combination of non-Text Snippets: things picked from a list, numbers, attached files, and so on. Instances may still have blank Snippets in these because I haven't created whatever goes into those yet (images and PDFs, normally).

So I find most of my Topics/Articles have automatically added but unwanted Text Snippets that I just leave there because I don't want to spend the time removing them and I can't use RW's workaround without wiping out stuff I want to leave for later and/or wiping out the common structure of that type of Topic/Article.

It's one of those minor annoyances, one where I wished they'd used an alternative like adding a new Snippet Type whenever you create a new section in the Category editor. (You could then delete it or change it to whatever type you needed.) ::shrug::

Hope you enjoyed that mini rant, mostly left over from 2014. Now where did I leave that one about the Ribbon...? ;)
 
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For now I can just fill out what I want then go to the Quick Edit Content and select remove empty snippets. I guess that way isn't so bad.

Thanks for all your support. We have an awesome community.:)
 
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