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I use RW as my campaign/module/ adventure management before, during and after. My point is YOU CAN use it during a session; not that you have to. You have chosen not to do it during your sessions rather than it being a limitation of RW. By not using RW at the table you have made a personal decision not to leverage it's functionality
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My point, and indeed your point above, seems to be that it was probably intended to be used during a session, and if you don't do that then it fails somewhat as the campaign management system I thought was being advertised.

I can't leverage what to me sounded like the primary functionality. I can put in but not get out the stuff I need for my campaign/sessions. At that point it is no longer a campaign management system that allows me to prepare my sessions etc in a way that is meaningful IMO. The marketing blurb is about campaign management, preparing sessions etc, but what it didn't really hammer home to me was that it was absolutely intended to be used during a session (as opposed to just another nice frilly feature). That goes beyond what a campaign management system needs to do and seems aimed at a more niche audience. Maybe a niche that is growing as old farts like me (and my group) move on.


Maybe when web access comes along I might re-evaluate. At that point I might consider getting a cheap tablet so that I can access my realm during play. I'd rather just print off the parts I want and stick to Pen and Paper.
 
AEIOU said:
I use RW as my campaign/module/ adventure management before, during and after. My point is YOU CAN use it during a session; not that you have to. You have chosen not to do it during your sessions rather than it being a limitation of RW. By not using RW at the table you have made a personal decision not to leverage it's functionality.
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People are passing on Realm Works because of the fact that it lacks functionality. People are refusing to purchase it because of the fact that it lacks functionality. People who've purchased it are refusing to use it because of the fact that it lacks functionality.

You can say that they're making a personal decision. That is certainly true. You cannot honestly gloss over the fact that they're making this decision due to the fact that Realm Works lacks functionality ... namely, the ability to print.

Realm Works lacks the ability to print. As great as its many other features are, it lacks the ability to print. This is a simple, true fact. I've seen many comments from people in other RPG forums where they turn away from Realm Works because of that simple, true fact.

I type something into my computer, I want to be able to print it out. This has been a basic feature of software since the first home PC. I've had an Apple II computer. I've had an Atari computer. I've had a Commodore Amiga. I've had an IBM desktop. I had a Magnavox notebook in the mid 90s.

With every computer I've owned, any software that allowed me to type and organize ideas and concepts has allowed me to print.

Now, along comes Realm Works (which is otherwise a very nice product), and we're supposed to all-of-a-sudden be OK with changing that basic, foundational paradigm?

Sorry, but no. I can understand LWD abiding by their survey results. I can understand them saying "we can't do everything at once, so we have to prioritize by popular vote". But I reject the premise that the limitation lies with the people who want to print instead of with the software. Because the limitation most definitely lies with the software.
 
My comments seem to be misconstued. I was responding in a snarky manner to Farling's statement directly above mine wherein he stated unequivocably that:

RW is a computer-based GM aid, it isn't a tool for online gaming.

You would only use the online component after the game is finished (e.g. when you get home with your laptop).
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And I totally disagree with that particular statement. RW is a tool for all gaming and you can indeed use it before, during and after a game if you choose to do so.

I am in total agreement that a major reason many people are not buying RW is because it lacks printing and export. This is essential functionality (not feature, not option, not add-on, not nice-to-have) that LWD promised for release in the Kickstarter but completely screwed the pooch on and has spent over a year now trying to gloss over and backpedal.
 
AEIOU said:
I am in total agreement that a major reason many people are not buying RW is because it lacks printing and export. This is essential functionality (not feature, not option, not add-on, not nice-to-have) that LWD promised for release in the Kickstarter but completely screwed the pooch on and has spent over a year now trying to gloss over and backpedal.
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You are totally, absolutely wrong! You're overlooking the simple fact that - ummm, wait ... you ... agree? Errr ... uhhh ... ummm ... OK, then. :)
 
I hope you don't mind me correcting your wording a tiny bit...

AEIOU said:
I am in total agreement in thinking that a major reason many people are not buying RW is because it lacks printing and export. This is essential functionality (not feature, not option, not add-on, not nice-to-have) that LWD promised for release in the Kickstarter but completely screwed the pooch on and has spent over a year now trying to gloss over and backpedal.
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(Since you don't really know whether "many" people won't buy because of no printing/export.)
 
Farling said:
I hope you don't mind me correcting your wording a tiny bit...

(Since you don't really know whether "many" people won't buy because of no printing/export.)
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Well, there's a good indication. Whenever I recommend the software to anyone, the inability to print is the most common response I get.

And I have never had anyone tell me, "I don't care if I can't print, but this other thing ..."
 
I've been on this bandwagon the entire ride, the inability to print has had me abandon Reamworks for gameplay.
I update it regularly in the hopes new features will add more usability, but printing is/was so fundamental that Realmworks goes unused in our gaming group.

My gaming group and the store one of the players owns are fundamentally pen and paper players. The inability to use Realmworks to print off occasional information to hand out to my players to consume at their leasure has put Realmworks on the shelf. I cannot get any of my players (one being the owner of the FLGS) to show any interesting in its use.

I'm all for tools and advancements, but basic usability (and freedom of use, not trapped in somones GUI) trumps tech any day.


-bg
 
Fair enough, Farling. Thank you for calling me out on it. I do have a number of data points, every one of which aren't interested in RW specifically because they can't print or export and since they don't have the product they could care less about the forums or survey. But correlation does not imply causation.

I've argued my case numerous times and Rob recognizes that it's a very polarized issue. And he recognizes that he made statements in the past. He's not made promises but he has sort of indicated that very basic printing support may be doable in a semi-reasonable timeframe. Now all we can do is wait and bring it up every few months because LWD can only do so much with the size of their team.
 
ShadowChemosh said:
HELLO! I don't care one bit for printing.
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Seriously, though, what I meant was, to the people to whom I've even suggested, let alone recommended the software, in person or on other forums, I've never had anyone tell me, that they don't care about printing. But I've had many people tell me that they'll pass on it since it can't print.
 
EightBitz said:
Seriously, though, what I meant was, to the people to whom I've even suggested, let alone recommended the software, in person or on other forums, I've never had anyone tell me, that they don't care about printing. But I've had many people tell me that they'll pass on it since it can't print.
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In no way take what follows as me saying that I hope LW does not do printing. RW has other features I don't use but others do. I don't expect every feature to be something that I personally will make use of.

Um was not making a joke. I really do NOT care about printing and want nothing to do with it. Never even had one second in my head to think about printing something in this day and age. Never thought about it during the Beta testing at all.

I understand people are "different" but it boggles my mind in the year 2015 that anyone would need "printing". I don't do it on my job site or do it at home. Everything I have runs off a tablet, phone, laptop, or other electronic device.

What I and my players need is the Web Version of RW. We would LOVE to have it this coming Saturday but understand it is still down the road. But that is what I need so my players can easily access all my Realm information during the game. Player view already helps so much but having access at the game. Will be totally sweet!

Having access at "home" on Windows is "nice" but in a web browser means it will be accessible at the game! :D

If I get printing tomorrow I would not print one single page out of RW. We want this on our electronic devices other than Windows. In a format that makes it useful. Paper is in no way useful for anything but killing trees and starting fires. ;):eek::D
 
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ShadowChemosh said:
Um was not making a joke.
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*sigh* the perils of typing at each other across a digital divide ....

So, in my initial response to you, I was the one making a joke. I said, "I've never known anyone to say [blah blah blah]"

And you said, "ME!"

So I said, jokingly, "OK, I've known ONE person to say [etc, etc, etc]"

Then I posted a more serious clarification in contrast to my joke. Hence the "Seriously, though ..."
 
EightBitz said:
*sigh* the perils of typing at each other across a digital divide ....

So, in my initial response to you, I was the one making a joke. I said, "I've never known anyone to say [blah blah blah]"

And you said, "ME!"

So I said, jokingly, "OK, I've known ONE person to say [etc, etc, etc]"

Then I posted a more serious clarification in contrast to my joke. Hence the "Seriously, though ..."
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Sigh missed that first post. I guess I rolled another natural 1 on my forum post skill check. :( :(
 
I understand people are "different" but it boggles my mind in the year 2015 that anyone would need "printing". I don't do it on my job site or do it at home. Everything I have runs off a tablet, phone, laptop, or other electronic device.
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And there is me having just recently having invested in a good printer, A3 and other goodies for use at home. I didn't have to go searching hard for one. Clearly in 2015 they are still plenty enough that they are easy to find in shops.

Whilst I have no doubt the way of things is all e-xxx eventually, for something like RPG I suspect it is still a niche, and that you are probably still n the minority for the time being. Certainly in my experience RPG players seem to be the older demographic mainly, who grew up with pen and paper RPG in the 70-80s and are only slowly taking up tablets and phones as the be all and end all for gaming. Maybe I just don't see the younger RPG players (being a different social group and all that) so miss out on those who were practically born with phones attached to them and how they play.
 
storeyl said:
And there is me having just recently having invested in a good printer, A3 and other goodies for use at home. I didn't have to go searching hard for one. Clearly in 2015 they are still plenty enough that they are easy to find in shops.

Whilst I have no doubt the way of things is all e-xxx eventually, for something like RPG I suspect it is still a niche, and that you are probably still n the minority for the time being. Certainly in my experience RPG players seem to be the older demographic mainly, who grew up with pen and paper RPG in the 70-80s and are only slowly taking up tablets and phones as the be all and end all for gaming. Maybe I just don't see the younger RPG players (being a different social group and all that) so miss out on those who were practically born with phones attached to them and how they play.
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Yes, I agree. Im a computer person, have been doing websites since the early 90s (I remember when Mosaic first came out). I game with people whos entire jobs are computers/graphic designers/etc.

We all still prefer plain with actual miniatures, making our own sets (I have a big collection of master-maze), and i run the game on a laptop, but im the only person that prefers it that way. They like their character sheets printed out, coffee stains and all. they all have tablets, and smartphones, and the like, but I've broached this question, and they'd prefer to not use them during the game.

I dont know which is a minority/majority. I think on this board you may find that we are more technical people and it might be more of an electronic majority, but that might not be gamers as a whole.

I have digital copies of all the books, but we still prefer to use the actual books.

I was a kickstarter backer, and one of the primary reasons was so I could track what players know, but a secondary reason was to make producing handouts (as in paper handouts) easier. I still do some of the old school things to make handouts look aged, etc...

In fact I wanted more of an export so I could generate my own handouts with other things. (but as I have the ability to print to PDF and then modify PDF a print alone would be enough)

And Shadow, I think many of us gamers are "different" :)
 
ShadowChemosh said:
HELLO! I don't care one bit for printing.
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Well, I do care for printing/exporting.

But having used (and using) Realm Works for planning and playing my game I can not imagine going back to the clutter of misplaced files, scraps of paper, maps and stuff I had before.

Nothing I have tried utilizing earlier comes close to what Realm Works gives me.

But I still really, really would like to get printing/exporting - and calendars ;)
 
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