Pre-requisite error...Slash Tongue???

[Vellcrow]

I have a validation error that used to not be there for a character I made a while back. Now, it shows a pre-requisite error that says "Slash Tongue: To cast Evil spells, you and your deity may not be good."

The character is a Lawful Good Cleric and I do not have any Evil spells on the character sheet.

Any ideas on what happened?

Thanks in advance.

 

[TobyFox2002]

Hrm, You have no evil spells on your list? You do not have the Spell "Slash Tongue" on your list at all?

If this is correct, could you send me your portfolio file that is causing this error so I could take a look.

 

[bodrin]

I have a validation error that used to not be there for a character I made a while back. Now, it shows a pre-requisite error that says "Slash Tongue: To cast Evil spells, you and your deity may not be good."

The character is a Lawful Good Cleric and I do not have any Evil spells on the character sheet.

Any ideas on what happened?

Thanks in advance.

This seems correct on first reading!

Emphasis mine, your character is Lawful Good so you can't cast Slash Tongue

 

[Vellcrow]

No evil spells on the list, no spell called "slash tongue".

In fact, I created a totally new, Lawful Good Cleric with a Neutral Good Deity and it still comes up with the same error.

Hrm, You have no evil spells on your list? You do not have the Spell "Slash Tongue" on your list at all?

If this is correct, could you send me your portfolio file that is causing this error so I could take a look.

 

[TobyFox2002]

No evil spells on the list, no spell called "slash tongue".

In fact, I created a totally new, Lawful Good Cleric with a Neutral Good Deity and it still comes up with the same error.

This is what I thought you meant, I really need to see your portfolio to know whats going on and why you are getting this error WITHOUT having the spell on your list.

I've taken a look at the Book of Vile Darkness file and there is nothing that I can see that would cause the game to think you have a spell you do not.

 

[Sendric]

No evil spells on the list, no spell called "slash tongue".

In fact, I created a totally new, Lawful Good Cleric with a Neutral Good Deity and it still comes up with the same error.

I am unable to reproduce this issue by creating a LG cleric with a NG deity. If you can provide more information about your character, or provide the portfolio as Toby suggests, that will help us figure out what's going on. It would also help to know if you have any user files not associated with the community set. Thanks.

 

[bodrin]

No evil spells on the list, no spell called "slash tongue".

In fact, I created a totally new, Lawful Good Cleric with a Neutral Good Deity and it still comes up with the same error.

Have you configured your character to use the Book of Vile Darkness source?

I've tested my system and its showing as a level 0 cantrip for cleric, wizard, sorcerer.

(Slash Tongue :- Reference page 103 in the hardcover)

If I alter the test character to a good alignment or deity it displays the pre req error correctly.
So unless there is something that's removed / altered the user file or data on your system then it should be there.

Just as an aside, HL hasn't loaded in safe mode which would also prevent user data being displayed?

 

[Vellcrow]

I went to "Configure Hero" and unchecked the Book of Vile Darkness and the error went away.

How do I send the portfolio?

 

[TobyFox2002]

I went to "Configure Hero" and unchecked the Book of Vile Darkness and the error went away.

How do I send the portfolio?

When you reply to this message there is a button below this text area that says manage attachment. Click on it find the folder your portfolio is in and then select the portfolio to upload.

 

[Vellcrow]

Here is my main character.

 

[TobyFox2002]

First

When I open it I missing two Vell's Custom Gear and
VBoVD.

I have no idea what VBoVD, but it doesn't sound like the one helped work on. Two options, exist at this point. Send me your Custom Gear file and I'll see if anything in that is causing it or use the link below and use that version of the BoVD.

(Make sure you backup your Book of Vile Darkness if you do that.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndb162fbyz4psmo/3.0 - Book of Vile Darkness.user?dl=0

 

[Vellcrow]

When I open it I missing two Vell's Custom Gear and
VBoVD.

I have no idea what VBoVD, but it doesn't sound like the one helped work on. Two options, exist at this point. Send me your Custom Gear file and I'll see if anything in that is causing it or use the link below and use that version of the BoVD.

(Make sure you backup your Book of Vile Darkness if you do that.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ndb162fbyz4psmo/3.0 - Book of Vile Darkness.user?dl=0

VBoVD was my original try at creating my own Book of Vile Darkness, this was before the community one was released.

As for the Vell's Custom Gear message when you first open the file, I do not remember what is missing or when it started showing up. I created a couple of custom weapons, but another character uses those, so I don't know why it shows up with the Cleric.

 

[Sendric]

I see the error message. It seems to have something to do with the Wizard version of the spell for some reason. I'm looking into it.

Update: This is bizarre, and I don't have a solution at the moment. For now, I would recommend opening the BoVD sourcebook and deleting the Wizard version of this spell. At least that way, the error won't appear for you anymore. I'll continue to look into it.

BTW, for anyone else who wants to take a look, this issue *is* reproducible without his portfolio. Also, for those interested, I have deleted the entry, and re-created it using the duplicate feature and am still seeing the problem. I even changed the thingid. I don't think this issue is being caused by the spell itself.

 

[TobyFox2002]

This is an interesting problem, I've have recreated your hero and I get no error but with your file I get the same error you have.

I'd like to give all kind of possible explanations as to whats going on. But honestly, I'm rather stumped.

I even tried deleting the Cleric Spell, Slash Tongue, that didn't even do anything.

I'll keep working on it as I can.

 

[Sendric]

I even tried deleting the Cleric Spell, Slash Tongue, that didn't even do anything.

It's the wizard version of the spell that's popping the error.

 

[Vellcrow]

Thanks for all the help! I was afraid I might be wasting everyone's time.

 

[Sendric]

So, this is an interesting case. Here are some of the things I've come up with:

• All 0-level Wizard spells are livepicks on all characters, regardless of class level (or even if you don't have one at all)
• Only Clerics show this error when confronted with a spell from the Evil Subschool
• This is the only 0-level wizard spell from the Evil subschool in the entire community or base set

So this is a true corner case in the sense that only the Cleric would get this issue, and only with this particular spell.

For now, there are a few options to get around it with the community set, but a true fix would have to come from Shadow...assuming its something that even makes sense to fix. I can only guess as to the reasoning behind adding all 0-level Wizard spells to all characters, but I assume there is a reason for it.

For us, we could simply remove the Evil descriptor and make note of it in the description. As it only effects the Wizard version of the spell, this is the only one that would require such a change. Alternatively, we could ignore it, and users can remove the tag themselves or delete the spell altogether if it proves bothersome. I will discuss it with Shadow to see what he wants to do before determining how to handle things on the Community side.

For those interested, here is a screenshot showing it as a livepick on a 1st-level cleric:

 

[TobyFox2002]

I will remove the Evil tag from it, and create and eval rule that checks for any class except ones that check for deity/character alignment. That way it will give the same basic error just using a different mechanic.

If that doesnt work or I cant get it to work, I'll just make a note of it. Although, it might work out. After all just how evil is making someones tongue hurt... at compared to say... eating someones brains.. as other spells from vile darkness require as "extra costs"

Thanks for looking into this, I never would have seen the connection. I must learn to think more outside the box.

 

[Sendric]

I will remove the Evil tag from it, and create and eval rule that checks for any class except ones that check for deity/character alignment. That way it will give the same basic error just using a different mechanic.

If that doesnt work or I cant get it to work, I'll just make a note of it. Although, it might work out. After all just how evil is making someones tongue hurt... at compared to say... eating someones brains.. as other spells from vile darkness require as "extra costs"

Thanks for looking into this, I never would have seen the connection. I must learn to think more outside the box.

Hmm...that's a good idea. Let me know if you get that to work. If it does, then I can leave Shadow alone and let him work on more important things.

 

[ShadowChemosh]

I can only guess as to the reasoning behind adding all 0-level Wizard spells to all characters, but I assume there is a reason for it.

This is the same way it works in Pathfinder as well actually. If I understand it all correctly its the only way to handle the idea that a Wizard gets all Cantrips for "FREE" at level 1. Something has to make the cantrips into Picks so in this case the are live on all characters so when you are a wizard the spellbook gets populated with them.

Just an FYI.