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Orcs and Goblins List

O&G List

I received the orc and gobbo list and had a few issues with it, I went through it and made the essential corrections that made it functional on my PC, unknown if these same errors occurred for anyone else. My son and i used it to field a nice 2000 point force and get beat the other day(good fights though). I am extremely appreciative of the efforts put forth by the BIG K, I thought it necessary to let everyone know.
 
Well... LoneWolf does not make any roster files. They are all done by private persons in their spare time. So be a little grateful. Actually, if you would have read the info on LoneWolf's website, you would have found out that they state explicitly, that they do not offer any data files!
 
Hey, you have a point there. Why do we have to pay each year for updates even if the ones who get the payment don't make the files we get in the updates? They just use free volunteers to do the job for them. I of course want everyone to respect the great guys who work with the data files, but it's true that we are paying for updates that don't come too much on time, and when they are released they aren't perfectly accurate. No complaints to the data file authors, you guys rock, but you get the point.

Of course someone might now say that we get updates to AB itself now and then and that development is being done by the wolven staff, but as these updates don't come too frequently and the improvements aren't too big it's maybe not quite worth the twelve bucks a year. It just makes AB even more expensive than the already rather expensive cost we pay when we buy it

Argument #3: We pay for AUTOMATIC UPDATES. Well okay... No comments. :roll:
 
makks30 said:
... also since when were you lone wolfs spokes person. ...
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I am not. But I also use the product. (I also have an O&G army and would like a 7th edition update).
I actually looked into the authoring kit myself but found out that I am not skilled enough/have enough time to work out how it works. What I think the authors can expect, is respect. If I were a file author and some more of these complaints came up, I would seriously consider to stop working on this altogether... (and as a user myself, I do not want this, of course)

makks30 said:
...and i didnt say lone wolf makes the roster files i said they create the update files for the roster files maybe you should try reading a post before you post a reply! :lol:
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Well, I do not see the difference. Everything LoneWolf does is the software updates (e.g. AB 3.0 -> 3.1)
The data/roster file "updates", meaning the addition of new stuff, is nothing that is supported by LoneWolf, either. THIS is what robert and co. do.

If you don't like the system, nobody forces you to use the army builder. But you maybe should find out how the whole system is supposed to work before complaining about the WH data file guys.
 
It seems to me that someone should have read the facts about AB a little better or else he would have understood that purchasing AB in no way, shape or form guarantees datafiles of any sort.
 
To end this subject, here an excerpt from the license agreement, which you all acknowledged:
Army Builder License Agreement said:
You acknowledge that the Software does not include data files for any game system, nor does Company warrant the availability, accuracy, or completeness of any data files that might be created. All data files, with the exception of those included as examples, are entirely independent of the Software and are developed and maintained at the discretion of a third party. Any access to data files that is provided through the Software is offered solely as a service to the user, and Company makes no endorsement of these independent resources.
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This should conclude the discussion here. If you want to continue it, feel free to move to the AB support forum, but this has nothing to do with the WH data files, and even less with the new O&G list, anymore.
 
Uh, volunteers write the files but they're on Lone Wolf's servers. Do web hosting companies pay people to put web sites on their servers? I don't think so.
 
Right on Robert.

Makks30, you need to chill. Or something. Anything. Just stop writing (if that's what it's called). No one can respond to pre-pubescent gibberish anyway. The updates will come. You just have to be patient. It comes with age, which you have illustrated may be some time for you. Relax.
 
It's actually quite simple. If you feel that you are being ripped off for the program don't use it and don't pay for the next year's service. Go out and buy the software GW pushes. Then you have the right to complain, or go back to Pen and Paper or spreadsheet to do your army. What you pay for is 1 year of program updates not data file updates nothing more nothing less.

There are these things call legal issues and IP issues that prevents any company or person from making a product using Games Workshop and Subsidiary companies products. Lonewolf doesn't own the IP rights there for they can't do the data files. They count on great people to make those files for everyone else to use for free. Those people arn't paid by or profit from Lonewolf. If they were Lonewolf would sued by Games Workshop and ultimately burried by them.

From the past few years it was somewhat agreed by datafile makers that they wouldn't release the data files for new books for a month or two just so everyone would go out and buy the book to make Games Workshop happy and somewhat overlook Army Builder.

I'm sure if Games Workshop wanted to they could make life very hard for Lonewolf and possibly any data maker as well.

Patients grasshoppa. They will be done of that you can be asured of.

In the old days of Army Builder 1.x sometimes it took 2 or 3 months to get the new files and you had realy know where to get them from.
 
On the issue of, well, whining about updates taking a bit, I have this to say:

Tonight, I got a bit tired of waiting, so I downloaded the Authoring Kit, took a poke around it, and four hours later, I'm about 70% of the way to having a file that's workable for my needs (mostly, I just need to add the rest of the magic items-- maybe another hour's work-- and a few fixes).

My file wouldn't be ready for public release, as there are some known problems, but, I'm not a genius or anything, and I strongly recommend that before one gripes about the situation, one ought to download the free authoring kit, and give it a shot. And, if that doesn't work out for you, understand that what you've bought is a piece of software, which is used by gamers for dozens of different systems. Wolf Lair has made the reasonable decision that they aren't going to try to keep track of all those dozens of games, and instead provide to the community of gamers who buy their product the additional service of making it easy to find files created by other members of the community.

If that's not what you thought you were buying into, well, caveat emptor, I guess... can't help you if you didn't read the contract.


For my part, if there's interest, I'll polish my file up to public-release quality, see if I can't tackle some of kyle's known bugs, and maybe beat Robert to publication. :) So, lemme know if there's interest, by adding a reply to this thread.
 
Ok so I play Ogre Kingdoms. but i just got my dad into it so i bought the Skull Pass and im trying to make a goblin Army for him from the set... but i cant find Spider riders anywhere in army builder in the book they are a core choice but the only place ive seen them is the Rare in the savage orc list.
am i missing somthing here or what?
 
Please send me the latest Orc/Goblin file, too

Hi,
I've been checking the 'Update' button in ArmyBuilder every day hoping to see this file but like a dope neglected to check here. Can you please send a copy to me as well at willner90@msn.com

Thanks
Mike

Note: I accidentally posted this at the root level of the forum as well... sorry for the clutter.
 
Jasoncameron said:
... but i cant find Spider riders anywhere in army builder in the book they are a core choice but the only place ive seen them is the Rare in the savage orc list.
am i missing somthing here or what?
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What you're missing is the fact that the Army Builder files for the new Orcs and Goblins book hasn't been officially updated yet (see earlier in this thread for a link to an unofficial update, and for plenty of discussion as to why it's not right to say "official" anyway...)

In all likelihood, you're looking at the Army Builder file based on the 6th ed rulebook, published several years ago.
 
I would have liked to see the "Beta" or works in progress available in the download section. So those of us that can not wait, could at least get a copy of something that can get us started.
 
Which version

A friend told me he got the beta of the new O&G book for AB2.x, but any word on the one for AB 3.x? I haven't even gotten my rulebook or armybook yet, but they are on the way. I get bored at work so I work on possible list ideas, but without the updated files, it's kinda a moot point. Any info would be helpful...thanks! :D
 
A minor error

Finally it's done. Great job!

I just have to point out that the Bigged's kickin' boots cost is set to 40p, when it should be a mere 30, according to the armybook...
 
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