Ogre Stomach (the Ogre Racial Power and the Surge Power) is supposed to reduce lifestyle costs by 20%, but it doesn't. This is important for obvious reasons, but mostly because that should reduce the cost of starting cyber the same way having a higher lifestyle increases. Just thought I'd let you know.
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Ogre Stomache Bug
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I just tested by starting with a blank character, and making him an ogre, and when I go to the Social tab, the header on the identities tab says "Identities (Lifestyle cost multiplier 80%)"
Do you have anything else on your character like Symbiotes that could be undoing the cost multipler?
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Do you have anything else on your character like Symbiotes that could be undoing the cost multipler?
If not, please report this to our bug tracking system with the link in this thread: http://forums.wolflair.com/showthread.php?t=24975
You are both right. The values are being displayed correctly, but the actual cost of the lifestyle after being added is still the base value, un-altered.
For example, new character, Metatype changed to Ogre, go to social tab and it all displays right. Click Add Lifestyle in an Identity, and select a Low Lifestyle, it says 1,600 nuyen each (like it should). Click Add, and the total value is 2,000 which is where the error pops in.
@Polecat: I am a little confused by your original statement though, what do you mean about starting cyber being reduced by lifestyle costs?
For example, new character, Metatype changed to Ogre, go to social tab and it all displays right. Click Add Lifestyle in an Identity, and select a Low Lifestyle, it says 1,600 nuyen each (like it should). Click Add, and the total value is 2,000 which is where the error pops in.
@Polecat: I am a little confused by your original statement though, what do you mean about starting cyber being reduced by lifestyle costs?
The cost of Equipment/Gear/Augmentation is modified by your lifestyle cost. That is why cyber and such costs more for Dwarves and Trolls.
No it isn't. The extra cost for lifestyles is the only increase in costs for those metatypes. In the first printing of the core rulebook it mentions an extra 50% cost for gear for trolls, but that was errata'd.
Having an Ogre Stomach does not give you a discount on a cyber arm. Although there is a bug on the lifestyle cost where you mentioned.
Having an Ogre Stomach does not give you a discount on a cyber arm. Although there is a bug on the lifestyle cost where you mentioned.
I just read the errata and saw no reason this to have been excluded? Especially since that is how its been in previous editions?
Would you care to clarify?
I didn't play 3rd edition for an appreciable time, but that isn't how it worked in 4th edition. Cyberware & Bioware didn't get discounted based on metatype. Certain kinds of gear had extra costs independently. In 4th, Lifestyles weren't even modified based on which Metatype you were so your basis that it shouldn't be different from before is fundamentally flawed.
Errata Here
There's a link to the errata there. But the pertinent section is: The paragraph that begins "When a character factors in racial modifiers" has information about gear costs for dwarves and trolls that does not apply in SR5. That paragraph should be removed and replaced with...
Errata Here
There's a link to the errata there. But the pertinent section is: The paragraph that begins "When a character factors in racial modifiers" has information about gear costs for dwarves and trolls that does not apply in SR5. That paragraph should be removed and replaced with...
Yeah, that is what I read but I think we're reading some differently. Because I don't see that negating the additional cost for gear. In fact, if that was the case it kind of makes Krime weaponry and gear utterly pointless.
Plus, it would mean that it doesn't cost extra to give cyber to a centaur when... you know... centaur. I think its pretty clear (at least as far as I am reading here) that you modify the cost of gear (weapons, armor, cyber, vehicles, etc.) by the lifestyle modifier. And looking at other threads on other forums they seem to agree (they don't like it, but they agree). Just try a google.
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Shadowy_one
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I've never played any of the other editions of SR, but by reading the errated version, I would go with Kiirnodels interpretation. Just because everybody else interprets it differently, doesn't make it correct.
I actually spend a lot of time on the official Shadowrun tabletop forums and I'm unfamiliar with any arguments about Lifestyle costs affecting the cost of gear. I'm actually going to have to turn this around and ask you to point out where the book says anything about applying a cost modification to the rest of your gear.
ShadowWalker
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Actually the book does say gear costs more, but the errata changed that to just lifestyle costs.
Thanks man, this helps clear up some of my confusion.
Only Lifestyle cost
From the errata file "Trolls [...] also have the disadvantage of having their Lifestyle costs doubled to reflect the costs of adapting everything they use—especially their gear, including cyberware or bioware—to meet their massive physical requirements.” (emphasis mine)
This replaces the part that says that they pay 50% higher equipment costs. The only cost modification is to the lifestyle cost, it does not require you to modify the cost of everything else you buy.
From the errata file "Trolls [...] also have the disadvantage of having their Lifestyle costs doubled to reflect the costs of adapting everything they use—especially their gear, including cyberware or bioware—to meet their massive physical requirements.” (emphasis mine)
This replaces the part that says that they pay 50% higher equipment costs. The only cost modification is to the lifestyle cost, it does not require you to modify the cost of everything else you buy.
BrotherPrætus
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You might look at this particular ruling as being a relevant setting change. In order to keep up with companies like Krime, Mortimor of London, and Evo (formerly Yamatetsu) all of which offered meta-friendly items at no additional charge, other corporations would likely follow suit. This has nothing to do with any sense of altruism as it would maintaining and/or improving market share.
As to the lifestyle increase, well, both Dwarves and Trolls require extensively modified dwellings to live in (size considerations, durability and accessibility being key concerns) and Trolls certainly eat more than just about any other metahuman/sapient.
As to debating the validity of how the rule should be interpreted, that seems better taken to the ShadowGrid forums, where the game devs are more likely to be available for official clarification.
Just my .02¢
As to the lifestyle increase, well, both Dwarves and Trolls require extensively modified dwellings to live in (size considerations, durability and accessibility being key concerns) and Trolls certainly eat more than just about any other metahuman/sapient.
As to debating the validity of how the rule should be interpreted, that seems better taken to the ShadowGrid forums, where the game devs are more likely to be available for official clarification.
Just my .02¢