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No boon companion feat/blank ranger list

Auke Teeninga said:
As a quickfix you can just add 4.

~First 497
~if the user hasn't selected a class to apply this feat to,
~there's nothing more we can do, so just get out
doneif (field[usrChosen1].ischosen = 0)

hero.childfound[cAnimClass].field[CompClAdj].value += 4
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thanks for this it worked great
 
tc7 said:
as though your class were four levels higher to a maximum bonus equal to your character level
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Notice it says class above, what class grants you the AC? Ranger, yes. So Your effective Ranger Level for AC is + 4 limited by your Character Level (which is 8):

minimum(ranger5+feat4, 8) = Effective Ranger Level 8
Effective Ranger Level 8 - 3 (Rangers calculate at -3) = 5

Look, I'm allowing for your RAW interpretation, I just don't agree with you that your interpretation is the correct RAW interpretation.

I also don't agree it is what HL should do, and besides this whole discussion belongs on a paizo.com thread.

This doesn't even get to another problem with your interpretation that has been shot down on Paizo boards, that a single class Ranger taking that feat with your RAW would be at full progression. So a 20th level Ranger with that feat using your RAW would be 20th AC but with my RAW (and the one HL shares) would be correct (according to Paizo) at 17th AC.
 
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Rules fight! Hey everybody come-on, tc7 and risner are gonna have a rules fight! Yeah Yeah, you get em! You.... damn... too late.
 
I have to agree with Risner on this one. The Class you are using to get the Animal companion is calculated on that level only regardless of other classes that grant AC's. Otherwise the text would read character level not class level!
 
bodrin said:
The Class you are using to get the Animal companion is calculated on that level only regardless of other classes that grant AC's.
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I don't think that is the key point of contention. I believe it is when to apply the -3 from the Ranger class.

Option A:
Apply the -3 first then add the +4 and limit the result by character level.
(5-3+4)<=8

Option B:
Apply the +4 first, limit by character level then apply the -3.
(5+4)<=8-3
 
risner said:
I don't think that is the key point of contention. I believe it is when to apply the -3 from the Ranger class.

Option A:
Apply the -3 first then add the +4 and limit the result by character level.
(5-3+4)<=8

Option B:
Apply the +4 first, limit by character level then apply the -3.
(5+4)<=8-3
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Okay, let's follow a mathematical priority rule then!

In order:- B.o.D.M.a.S

Brackets over Division, Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction.

Addition first then subtraction! 5+4-3 = 6

So the Ranger class is three levels lower for the calculation which would be the brackets part,
(5-3)+4 = 6

Second result is the same as first but is mathematically correct in equation order.

However R.A.W. state the feat adds 4 to the Class level limited by total character level, in this case 8th so the correct equation should be this.

Where x equals the difference in character level to the sum of the first part of the equation.
5 + 4 = 9 (Ranger level plus feat bonus)
9 - 8 = 1 <- this is x (Ranger plus feat limited by character level)
((5+4) - x)-3) = 5 final result to calculate AC HD
 
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Try looking at it this way:

The feat isn't meant to be a 'workaround' for the Ranger Level -3 limit on Animal Companions. It's meant to offset the 'penalty' to Animal Companion power incurred by multi-classing (much like the Magical Knack trait for spellcasters). It makes your Ranger level up to four levels higher (to the limit of your HD). So a Ranger 5/Whatever 3 multiclass counts as an 8th level Ranger for purposes of his Animal Companion. 8-3 is 5, so he could have an Animal Companion equal to that of a 5th level Druid.

That's why the description specifically says 'Class Level' rather than 'Character Level.'
 
Mowgli said:
That's why the description specifically says 'Class Level' rather than 'Character Level.'
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Exactly, offset the penalty of multiclassing as a Ranger. Yet Still gain an Animal Companion of 5HD as an 8th level character, or 8th level Ranger if you hadn't multiclassed!
 
I need that from a paizo employee (yes, he's a contractor, but he's not labeled that way on the forums), or preferably in a FAQ before I can deviate from the way the feat is written.
 
Mathias said:
I need that from a paizo employee (yes, he's a contractor, but he's not labeled that way on the forums), or preferably in a FAQ before I can deviate from the way the feat is written.
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In the same thread James Jacobs refutes the Ranger getting benefit:

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboard...ucts/archives/seekersOfSecretsFeats&page=1#22

I've seen more than one case where Paizo employees have stomped on Rangers (single class) gaining benefit from this. There is a Jason B comment somewhere too to the same effect.

It is easy enough to house rule around with a .user file (like we did with the Monk FoB interpretation) that we shouldn't change things from a conservative reading of the RAW without good reason.
 
well either way I need to change the feat in mine for this house game since my GM is ruling under my interpretation.

That being said, does the quick fix given in this thread earlier work or is there a more permanent way for me to change it for this game
 
tc7 said:
does the quick fix given in this thread earlier work or is there a more permanent way for me to change it for this game
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Not sure I understand your question.

The quick fix works if you make a new item and modify the existing Boon feat script to the quick fix posted in this thread. You may also add a new feat and change the Replace ID to replace the old feat so you only see one Boon feat and not two if you really want to hide the old one.
 
Auke Teeninga said:
If everyone marks the following link as a FAQ we'll probably get an official answer soon:
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That post doesn't address this problem, a single classed character. We would need to make a new post thread:

"Does a 10th level Ranger with Boon Companion have a 7th level AC or a 10th level AC?"

And everyone FAQ click that thread.
 
Auke Teeninga said:
You are right, this link does adress the problem:

http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboard...ves/animalCompanionsAndBoonCompanion&page=1#0
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But that thread doesn't have a paizo employee saying Rangers are still capped at -3 their level like the other thread had JJ saying straight rangers shouldn't gain a benefit from Boon Companion. What is needed is a thread where a Paizo employee (not contractor) says that single class rangers have an AC equal to their level.
 
risner said:
But that thread doesn't have a paizo employee saying Rangers are still capped at -3 their level like the other thread had JJ saying straight rangers shouldn't gain a benefit from Boon Companion. What is needed is a thread where a Paizo employee (not contractor) says that single class rangers have an AC equal to their level.
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Hence the request to mark the question as FAQ.
 
The way I read it is as this...

Benefit: The abilities of your animal companion or familiar are calculated as though your class were four levels higher, to a maximum bonus equal to your character level. If you have more than one animal companion or familiar, choose one to receive this benefit. If you lose or dismiss an animal companion or familiar, you may apply this feat to the replacement creature.

The Bonus to how your animal companion is calculated cannot exceed your character level. So a 5th level ranger who normally has a 2nd level Animal Companion now has a 5th level companion (I'll admit there is some ambiguity here, cuz it could be read as him having a 6th level companion too, since the +4 bonus does not exceed his character level of 4, but I know that can't be the case. I also see the case for not improving at all without non AC class levels, but since that is open to debate, its up to the GM :) )

Anyways I am going with my interpretation and I just wanted to ask for some help coding.
Here is what I have that works fine for ranger.
Code: 
 ~if the user hasn't selected a class to apply this feat to,
~there's nothing more we can do, so just get out
doneif (field[usrChosen1].ischosen = 0)

var bonus as number

bonus = 0
 if (hero.childfound[cAnimClass].field[CompClAdj].value <    #totallevelcount[]) then
  bonus = (#totallevelcount[] - 1)
 endif

bonus = minimum(bonus,4)

hero.childfound[cAnimClass].field[CompClAdj].value += bonus

To get it to work with a druid I would need it to calculate the bonus as (#totallevelcount[] - 4). So, my question is, how would I check what the user has chosen in the field[usrChosen1]? And if a ranger chose beastmaster as his alternate class feature would that show up the same as regular ranger in what was chosen? I wanna do something like

Code: 
~pseudocode
if (field[usrChosen1] = Ranger) then
run this code etc.

if (field[usrChosen1] = Druid) then
run this code etc.
 
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