Kineticist Quaternary Abilities (Infusions)

[Sphynx]

Before I go reporting a bug... has anyone else had problems with removing infusions from a homebrew archetype? I mirrored the Elemental Annihilator (even rows except 6 and 14) and only see my infusions go down by 2 at level 20 instead of losing all 8. I've tried everything I can think of, even a -999 to all 20 rows. Now, if I "Remove Quaternary Abilities, they're removed, but trying to remove specific ones (or all of them individually), and it doesn't work. I need to remove the ones at row 2, 4, 10, 12, and 18 for my homebrew, and nothing is working... :/

 

[Mathias]

Start with a test character who has a level of kineticist, and does not have your archetype added yet. In the develop menu, choose "Floating Info Windows", and then "Show Selection Fields". In there, find the Kineticist class - you'll see two things named kineticist - you want the one whose Id includes "cHelp".

Now, search for a field named "Total Quaternary Abilities". For Value, that will say "Click to view array" - do so, and you'll see a list of how many of that ability the class will get at each level. There will be gaps - in those cases, Hero Lab looks back to earlier levels to find the last place there was a value > 0, and uses that (which saves typing).

So, what you need to do is write this array down on a piece of paper, starting at row 0 (level 1), and going to row 19 (level 20). Then write the array in your archetype down next to it - put the values on the same numbered rows together next to each other. Then, add the two values together, and look at the final results. At each level, are they the correct number of quaternary abilities for that class to have at that level once the archetype is added? (If the total is < 0, Hero Lab will set that to 0 after adding the arrays together, so if you're just getting rid of things and don't care how many were actually there to begin with, using -99 in an array is fine).

 

[Sphynx]

Ah, I see... so basically I have to remove the same infusion everytime there's an odd level. Instead of -1 at row 0, -1 at row 2, -1 at row 4, I need to do -1 at row 0, -2 at row 2 and -3 at row 4.

So, in my own example, where I need to remove the ones at row 2, 4, 10, 12, and 18 I need to do this:

row 0: (Keep this infusion)
row 1:
row 2: -1 (Lose this Infusion)
row 3:
row 4: -2 (Lose this infusion, and the one at row 2)
row 5:
row 6: (No infusion here)
row 7:
row 8: -2 (Keep this infusion, so match row 4)
row 9:
row 10: -3 (Lose this infusion, the infusions at row 4 and row 2)
row 11:
row 12: -4 (Lose this infusion, and the infusions at rows 10, 4, and 2)
row 13:
row 14: (No infusion here)
row 15:
row 16: -4 (Keep this infusion, so match row 12)
row 17:
row 18: -5 (Lose this infusion, and the infusions at rows 12, 10, 4 and 2)
row 19:

And yes, that did indeed work, I'm just posting so anyone who has a similar problem can understand the solution better.

Thank you!