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Independent Characters and Termi Armour, etc.

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At 11:10 11/03/2001 -0600, you wrote:

> > 1) The HQ Characters' entry states that they are Independent Characters
> > unless accompanied by a Bodyguard. The Armory section then goes on to
>list
> > items, and note that many can only be taken by an Independent
> > Character. If the HQ character does take a bodyguard, then is he no
>longer
> > an Independent Character and therefore cannot take those Independent
> > Character items like Terminator armor?
> > Correct.
>
>*poink* Say what? I distinctly remember reading from an official GW source
>previously that the opposite was true, that they *could* still take IC
>items.

Exactly, hence my conf00zion.

>Could you give me a URL or source for that FAQ?

I got them in the latest GW Q&A, which I've just uploaded to the Vault:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/armybuilder/files/40K Q&A 16Feb01.doc


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister" <demandred@skrill.org>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 10:50 AM
Subject: [AB] Independent Characters and Termi Armour, etc.

> 1) The HQ Characters' entry states that they are Independent Characters
> unless accompanied by a Bodyguard. The Armory section then goes on to
list
> items, and note that many can only be taken by an Independent
> Character. If the HQ character does take a bodyguard, then is he no
longer
> an Independent Character and therefore cannot take those Independent
> Character items like Terminator armor?
> Correct.

*poink* Say what? I distinctly remember reading from an official GW source
previously that the opposite was true, that they *could* still take IC
items. Could you give me a URL or source for that FAQ?
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Hello, chaps.

Currently in the 40k files, if you're an Independent Character you can take
Artificer or Terminator Armour - even if you then take a Command Squad. Is
this correct?

The case for:

I'm sure I read this somewhere, but I can't remember where. Can anyone
remember if it was specified in White Dwarf?

The case against:

From the latest GW Q&A:

1) The HQ Characters' entry states that they are Independent Characters
unless accompanied by a Bodyguard. The Armory section then goes on to list
items, and note that many can only be taken by an Independent
Character. If the HQ character does take a bodyguard, then is he no longer
an Independent Character and therefore cannot take those Independent
Character items like Terminator armor?
Correct.

Normally I'd change it like a shot, but as I said I'm sure I saw the
question answered differently elsewhere. Can anyone corroborate this?

Thanks.


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Xaxier wrote:

> Yeh it does, I try and find it, got all the WD Q&A and Chapter approved,
> copy up into a word Doc. Because I got piss off trying to find them.
>

> Tough - if it was in White Dwarf, it overrides what's on the web
> site. :)

I found it in the W40K 2001 GT Clarifications
page 21 (as counted by acrobat), at the top (the first entry in the
Space Marine section).

The White Dwarf comment is relevant, though, if someone finds an answer
there.

1. The HQ Characters' entry states that they are Independent
Characters unless accompanied by a Bodyguard. The Armory
section then goes on to list items, and note that many
can only be taken by an Independent Character. If the HQ
character does take a bodyguard, then is he no longer an
Independent Character and therefore cannot take those
Independent Character items like Terminator armor.

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> Currently in the 40k files, if you're an Independent Character you
> can take Artificer or Terminator Armour - even if you then take a
> Command Squad. Is this correct?

Taking a Command squad doesnt stop a character from getting IC-only
equipment.


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At 19:38 11/03/2001 +0000, you wrote:
> > Currently in the 40k files, if you're an Independent Character you
> > can take Artificer or Terminator Armour - even if you then take a
> > Command Squad. Is this correct?
>
>Taking a Command squad doesnt stop a character from getting IC-only
>equipment.

Yes, but *where* does it say that? We all seem to know it, and know that
we've read it somewhere, but where?



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> Yes, but *where* does it say that? We all seem to know it, and
> know that we've read it somewhere, but where?

IIRC, it was part of one of the very first WD Q&A sessions.


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> Tough - if it was in White Dwarf, it overrides what's on the web site. :)

Damn straight!! Well said.


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> The thing is the new Q&A does said you cant.

I trust official answers :-)


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At 20:12 11/03/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>The thing is the new Q&A does said you cant.

Tough - if it was in White Dwarf, it overrides what's on the web site. :)


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> I found it in the W40K 2001 GT Clarifications

I'd just like to point out that Tourney rules arent valid against an entire
game system played throughout the world - they only come into play for that
particular tourney


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--- In armybuilder@y..., "Jimi" <james.tubman@b...> wrote:
> > The thing is the new Q&A does said you cant.
>
> I trust official answers :-)
>
>
> Jimi


You poor, misguided fool......only a single shooter too!?! :)


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> You poor, misguided fool......only a single shooter too!?! :)

Eh??


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--- In armybuilder@y..., "Jimi" <james.tubman@b...> wrote:
> > You poor, misguided fool......only a single shooter too!?! :)
>
> Eh??
>
>
> Jimi
>
Sorry, reference to the CIA's story about JFK's assasination....you
know conspiracy theory stuff....just trying to be funny.

The point being, my experience with GW 'official' rules, is that if
you don't like one, wait until next month, they will counterdict
themselves.....


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> Sorry, reference to the CIA's story about JFK's assasination....you
> know conspiracy theory stuff....just trying to be funny.

Keep trying :-P

> The point being, my experience with GW 'official' rules, is that if
> you don't like one, wait until next month, they will counterdict
> themselves.....

I may like or dislike an official rule but at the end of the day, its
official and I'll play 40k3 using that rule.


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>
> I may like or dislike an official rule but at the end of the day,
its
> official and I'll play 40k3 using that rule.
>
>
> Jimi
>
I agree, I'm just tired of playing by one official rule only to have a
games lawyer pull a new version of the offical rule on me in the
middle of a game. It was more of a critique on the inconsistancies of
the roolzboys and other 'official' channels.

In the end, all we seem to have is common sense and our
interrpretation of the intent behind the vagueness.... :(

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> I agree, I'm just tired of playing by one official rule only to have a
> games lawyer pull a new version of the offical rule on me in the
> middle of a game.

If that ever happens then you have my permission to beat said rules lawyer
up :-)

> It was more of a critique on the inconsistancies of
> the roolzboys and other 'official' channels.

Roolboyz arent an 'official channel' - look at the disclaimer at the end of
their emails :-)

> In the end, all we seem to have is common sense and our
> interrpretation of the intent behind the vagueness.... :(

If only our commonsense would rub off oto GW game designers :-)


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