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Any chance of being able to resize images (as view, not the image
themselves)? I run at 1600x1200, making the card image a bit small and
hard to read.
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At 09:54 PM 11/17/2003, you wrote:
>Any chance of being able to resize images (as view, not the image
>themselves)? I run at 1600x1200, making the card image a bit small and
>hard to read.

Doing this would be quite possible, but are you sure you really want us to?

Card Vault has to cope with a variety of image sizes. Some are big enough
that we need to scale them down, to fit; others (such as, for example, the
images for the wizkids games) can be used as they are. Even if we did let
you choose whether to have the images increased in size, the actual image
itself wouldn't get more detailed; you'd see the same image, only it'd be
blockier and blurrier because we'd have increased it in size. In fact, it
would almost certainly look worse.

What do the rest of you think? Is it a feature that more of you would like,
even with a decreased image quality of the resized image? If there's
popular support, we'll add it to our List of Things.

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I just did a quick test in Paint Shop Pro using a LotR card image, and
increasing the image size 50%
in each axis helped readability greatly.

At 08:58 PM 11/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 09:54 PM 11/17/2003, you wrote:
> >Any chance of being able to resize images (as view, not the image
> >themselves)? I run at 1600x1200, making the card image a bit small and
> >hard to read.
>
>Doing this would be quite possible, but are you sure you really want us to?
>
>Card Vault has to cope with a variety of image sizes. Some are big enough
>that we need to scale them down, to fit; others (such as, for example, the
>images for the wizkids games) can be used as they are. Even if we did let
>you choose whether to have the images increased in size, the actual image
>itself wouldn't get more detailed; you'd see the same image, only it'd be
>blockier and blurrier because we'd have increased it in size. In fact, it
>would almost certainly look worse.
>
>What do the rest of you think? Is it a feature that more of you would like,
>even with a decreased image quality of the resized image? If there's
>popular support, we'll add it to our List of Things.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>--
>Colen McAlister (colen@wolflair.com)
>Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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At 09:30 PM 11/18/2003, you wrote:
>I just did a quick test in Paint Shop Pro using a LotR card image, and
>increasing the image size 50%
>in each axis helped readability greatly.

Hmm, so you want to also be able to increase the size of images beyond the
current maximum?


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how about a setting in the options to double the size of card images.

Colen McAlister wrote:

> At 09:30 PM 11/18/2003, you wrote:
> >I just did a quick test in Paint Shop Pro using a LotR card image, and
> >increasing the image size 50%
> >in each axis helped readability greatly.
>
> Hmm, so you want to also be able to increase the size of images beyond
> the
> current maximum?
>
>
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now you have me confused, because I thought this was what I asked for in
my original request.

I would like to be able to rescale what size the images are viewed at.

At 05:59 PM 11/19/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 09:30 PM 11/18/2003, you wrote:
> >I just did a quick test in Paint Shop Pro using a LotR card image, and
> >increasing the image size 50%
> >in each axis helped readability greatly.
>
>Hmm, so you want to also be able to increase the size of images beyond the
>current maximum?
>
>
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When I was messing around with Paint Shop Pro, the 1.5X scaling looked a
lot better than 2X in my case.

At 10:49 PM 11/19/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>how about a setting in the options to double the size of card images.
>
>Colen McAlister wrote:
>
> > At 09:30 PM 11/18/2003, you wrote:
> > >I just did a quick test in Paint Shop Pro using a LotR card image, and
> > >increasing the image size 50%
> > >in each axis helped readability greatly.
> >
> > Hmm, so you want to also be able to increase the size of images beyond
> > the
> > current maximum?
> >
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At 12:57 AM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
>now you have me confused, because I thought this was what I asked for in
>my original request.
>
>I would like to be able to rescale what size the images are viewed at.

The Lord of the Rings images, that you mention you're having problems with,
are currently always being scaled down, regardless of the size of the card
details window, because they're very big. I'll change this so that in the
next version, images are only scaled down if there's not enough space for
them (which for you will not be a problem, since you have oodles of space
to use).

"Not scaling down" is a different thing from "scaling up" - not scaling
them down will make them look bigger, better and clearer, whereas scaling
them up will make them look bigger but more horrible (and hence might not
be very valuable to many users). Sorry for the confusion.


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At 07:49 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote:
>how about a setting in the options to double the size of card images.

While that would be doable, it's not necessarily the best way to go about
it. For example, some things may look horrible doubled, but ok if you use a
factor of 1.5 (as Geoffrey found out). To keep things looking 'as they
should', I think it's best if we limit images to their maximum size.

Does anyone strongly disagree?


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Ah. I thought I was seeing them at the available pixel resolution, didn't
realize they had been scaled down. Took a look at the cards from the
cache directory and saw what they really looked like. In addition to not
scaling down as much, scaling up may be useful when high resolution
cards are not available at for a particular game, though an option to
not scale past 1:1 would be useful so as not to force it on people.

At 04:31 PM 11/20/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 12:57 AM 11/20/2003, you wrote:
> >now you have me confused, because I thought this was what I asked for in
> >my original request.
> >
> >I would like to be able to rescale what size the images are viewed at.
>
>The Lord of the Rings images, that you mention you're having problems with,
>are currently always being scaled down, regardless of the size of the card
>details window, because they're very big. I'll change this so that in the
>next version, images are only scaled down if there's not enough space for
>them (which for you will not be a problem, since you have oodles of space
>to use).
>
>"Not scaling down" is a different thing from "scaling up" - not scaling
>them down will make them look bigger, better and clearer, whereas scaling
>them up will make them look bigger but more horrible (and hence might not
>be very valuable to many users). Sorry for the confusion.
>
>
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>Colen McAlister (colen@wolflair.com)
>Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com
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--- In cardvault@yahoogroups.com, Colen McAlister <colen@w...> wrote:
> At 07:49 PM 11/19/2003, you wrote:
> >how about a setting in the options to double the size of card
images.
>
> While that would be doable, it's not necessarily the best way to go
about
> it. For example, some things may look horrible doubled, but ok if
you use a
> factor of 1.5 (as Geoffrey found out). To keep things looking 'as
they
> should', I think it's best if we limit images to their maximum size.
>
> Does anyone strongly disagree?
>

Thinking about it, I think I want to clarify the reasoning behind my
original request somewhat. This is not really an issue with LotR as
the source art is big enough, but some games may have smaller art.

The core issue here is with art that has readible text, but when shown
on screen, is too small. As I said, I run at 1600x1200. Now, I can
read ordinary text just fine which is why I run so high.

I have prepared an image that shows the text at various sizes:

http://home.insightbb.com/~gryndehl/CardVaultTextCompare.jpg

Those of you out there running at high resolutions (or can temporaly
do so to check this out), assumming in this case that the shrunk down
version was all the detail we had available, which would you rather
look at?

I am running at 1600x1200 on a 19 inch monitor. Why I am looking at
on the 150% image is close to what someone would be seeing at 100% on
a 1024x768 display on a 17 inch monitor.


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At 09:25 AM 11/22/2003, you wrote:

>Thinking about it, I think I want to clarify the reasoning behind my
>original request somewhat. This is not really an issue with LotR as
>the source art is big enough, but some games may have smaller art.
>
>I am running at 1600x1200 on a 19 inch monitor. Why I am looking at
>on the 150% image is close to what someone would be seeing at 100% on
>a 1024x768 display on a 17 inch monitor.

I have now changed the Card Details window to display the image as big as
is possible, up to the maximum size of the image itself. Thus, for the lord
of the rings cards, if you make the card details window big enough (about
600 pixels high) the card image will be displayed at its 'actual size' (I
have been testing this by looking at cards featuring pretty elves). This
should solve the problem you've been having, and should make it into v1.3a.

Does this suit everyone?


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