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- The Lone Wolf Development Team
How long, Really?
- Thread starter Madmaxneo
- Start date
I'm not dismissing your complaints. I just do not understand why you aren't using RW as it is. The more I use it the more indispensable it becomes.
I, specifically, am not really complaining, am a Dire Wolf backer, use the product sporadically trying to make it work for me, and hope the things I'm eager for get resolved and implemented so that I can really start using it, and come on the forum from time to time to see what's brewing.
When someone complains about something on this forum and a non-employee answers that post with "it's very complex, be glad they are still working on it and not snorting coke like other kickstarter's, you'll get your stuff eventually, if you read this disclaimer they never really said they'd give you anything for your money, etc..." ad nauseum, it leaves a bad feeling with me for the company.
When someone complains about something on this forum and a non-employee answers that post with "it's very complex, be glad they are still working on it and not snorting coke like other kickstarter's, you'll get your stuff eventually, if you read this disclaimer they never really said they'd give you anything for your money, etc..." ad nauseum, it leaves a bad feeling with me for the company.
Have to jump back in here...
I do agree strongly with the idea that using RW in the now is very important. It has its flaws and even its undelivered features; but with all that said it is still the best tool out there for really managing a campaign. And it has a learning curve... the time spent just mastering the present features will always be a +1.
IF a GM is only doing one offs and such, it can quickly become the core reference they need. Especially for less popular game systems. I mean for PF and 5e, there are websites and wikis dedicated to giving them easy reference tools, saving so much time in not having to dig through PDFs (or even worse dozens of paper references).
For the GM who has a massive homebrew campaign (based off a popular system or not), it allows him or her to put away the notebooks, binders and even boxes of file cards away (once all of that material is inputted into RW of course) and really focus on the pleasure of running the game.
Folks, I have done it all; from binders (full of xerox'd pages from Dragon because bringing the entire mags would have meant dragging a footlocker to the game every week) and 3"x5" cards (several thousand of them at one time) to PDFs and wikis on a (memory) stick. I could never go back after using RW. Simple as that. There are just too many things it already does that make my life as a GM and a player easier. And it promises to just get better and better.
Sure it has features that remain undelivered (years later), yes it has suffered from misplanning and management at times, but it is not vaporware!!!! LWD is delivering what they promised. And putting up with a bunch of repetitious whining while doing it. I sometimes joke with my players/friends that if just half the time people spent bitching about stuff here was given over submitting bug reports and helpful messages, RW would be the best campaign management/gaming software on the planet... then we all end up laughing and saying "But wait a minute... it already is!"
I mean seriously, if it is so bad, who do the complainers and nay'sayers keep using it? Because they spent $40 or $50 bucks in a KS and 'want what they paid for?' If that is only time you have felt hard done in spending a bit of money, I am impressed. I have seen dozens of times where vaporware was promised and then never came to fruition. Anyone remember Tools that were bundled with the PHB when D&D 3.0 from Wizards came out? Or their promised online character generator? Or online mapping tool? I almost shudder as I type "GleeMax?"
Seriously, let's let LWD do what they need to do (ie., create great software) and try to dial back the whining and complaining. After all, for those of us in the US of A, we have something far better to whine and complain about... the current election cycle!
This is longer than I had intended, and it was not my intention to tweak anyone's nose (well maybe a little bit). Just a bit weary of the constant negativity of late. I would close with the suggestion that you take a walk with your dog (always works for me), call a friend and yak about a great gaming session you had a few years back (ok, decades back for some of us) or jump into your current game when the next session comes around and just let go of all the crap and feel the joy that the game and its camaraderie brings to you. So much better than focusing on anything negative in your life... especially the current election cycle!
I do agree strongly with the idea that using RW in the now is very important. It has its flaws and even its undelivered features; but with all that said it is still the best tool out there for really managing a campaign. And it has a learning curve... the time spent just mastering the present features will always be a +1.
IF a GM is only doing one offs and such, it can quickly become the core reference they need. Especially for less popular game systems. I mean for PF and 5e, there are websites and wikis dedicated to giving them easy reference tools, saving so much time in not having to dig through PDFs (or even worse dozens of paper references).
For the GM who has a massive homebrew campaign (based off a popular system or not), it allows him or her to put away the notebooks, binders and even boxes of file cards away (once all of that material is inputted into RW of course) and really focus on the pleasure of running the game.
Folks, I have done it all; from binders (full of xerox'd pages from Dragon because bringing the entire mags would have meant dragging a footlocker to the game every week) and 3"x5" cards (several thousand of them at one time) to PDFs and wikis on a (memory) stick. I could never go back after using RW. Simple as that. There are just too many things it already does that make my life as a GM and a player easier. And it promises to just get better and better.
Sure it has features that remain undelivered (years later), yes it has suffered from misplanning and management at times, but it is not vaporware!!!! LWD is delivering what they promised. And putting up with a bunch of repetitious whining while doing it. I sometimes joke with my players/friends that if just half the time people spent bitching about stuff here was given over submitting bug reports and helpful messages, RW would be the best campaign management/gaming software on the planet... then we all end up laughing and saying "But wait a minute... it already is!"
I mean seriously, if it is so bad, who do the complainers and nay'sayers keep using it? Because they spent $40 or $50 bucks in a KS and 'want what they paid for?' If that is only time you have felt hard done in spending a bit of money, I am impressed. I have seen dozens of times where vaporware was promised and then never came to fruition. Anyone remember Tools that were bundled with the PHB when D&D 3.0 from Wizards came out? Or their promised online character generator? Or online mapping tool? I almost shudder as I type "GleeMax?"
Seriously, let's let LWD do what they need to do (ie., create great software) and try to dial back the whining and complaining. After all, for those of us in the US of A, we have something far better to whine and complain about... the current election cycle!
This is longer than I had intended, and it was not my intention to tweak anyone's nose (well maybe a little bit). Just a bit weary of the constant negativity of late. I would close with the suggestion that you take a walk with your dog (always works for me), call a friend and yak about a great gaming session you had a few years back (ok, decades back for some of us) or jump into your current game when the next session comes around and just let go of all the crap and feel the joy that the game and its camaraderie brings to you. So much better than focusing on anything negative in your life... especially the current election cycle!
Yep. Saw that to in my email. Anxious to see the announcement!
Aren't we all? I'm going to hold off manually inputting any more content (started from scratch 2 days ago) until I see what the word is on the content market.
Tharmiones
Well-known member
My bet on the potential "content" of the announcement is:
"We are almost ready for the release of the content market. We are making great progress so stay tuned for the next update in the followin weeks"
"We are almost ready for the release of the content market. We are making great progress so stay tuned for the next update in the followin weeks"
You are forgetting: "This new release (headed your way really soon) won't show many user facing additions to the software, but we did something very important in the background. This is all gonna help in the long run. Be prepared. Soon."
Good morning everyone!
As someone already shared, we will have exciting news updates late next week! I know we've been really quiet as of late and there have certainly been delays but you'll have plenty of answers to your questions next week. Just a bit longer! Let's try to stay positive while the team is working hard to get your content market and other features out as soon as possible!
Thanks,
BJ
As someone already shared, we will have exciting news updates late next week! I know we've been really quiet as of late and there have certainly been delays but you'll have plenty of answers to your questions next week. Just a bit longer! Let's try to stay positive while the team is working hard to get your content market and other features out as soon as possible!
Thanks,
BJ
I see what you did there...
Ba-dum TSH!
Ok, new to Realm Works here.. But I am a software developer. (I do not work for, know or ever even talked to any one at this company) I do custom databases. I have developing now for around a decade and my co-workers for about 70 years combined. I can tell you one thing, deadlines to release a product are the surest way to get a shitty product. It is impossible to predict when something will be ready. One glitch or unforeseen hurdle can set a project back weeks... Yes, its nice to guesstimate when the software will be ready, but if you hold a developer to that date you get what is ready at that time.
There is a maxim in software development.
The Triangle... There are three elements:
Speed
Cost
Quality
You get to pick two. You can have it Fast and cheap but Quality will lack.
You can have it Fast and High Quality but it will not be cheap.
or in this case....
You can have it Cheap and High Quality.
I can assure you, if I was designing this software for retail sales I would have probably started out around $400/license and am grateful they didn't.
So before we all call them a variety of names, realize that the product they put out is frigging incredible.... and they are actively seeking to improve it. and if you have programmed a line of code in your life you know what bitch it is to integrate new modules of code into an existing piece of software.
Finally, a friend of mine writes games (my first DM). He is a leader in the industry. He finally after years of development he finally said this about release dates.
"I will release it when its done."
So to the wizards at WolfLair, please continue on and keep up the great work. I was getting tired of DMing and about to toss it all in when I discovered your software and in the process rediscovered my campaign and have found it fun again. Thanks
There is a maxim in software development.
The Triangle... There are three elements:
Speed
Cost
Quality
You get to pick two. You can have it Fast and cheap but Quality will lack.
You can have it Fast and High Quality but it will not be cheap.
or in this case....
You can have it Cheap and High Quality.
I can assure you, if I was designing this software for retail sales I would have probably started out around $400/license and am grateful they didn't.
So before we all call them a variety of names, realize that the product they put out is frigging incredible.... and they are actively seeking to improve it. and if you have programmed a line of code in your life you know what bitch it is to integrate new modules of code into an existing piece of software.
Finally, a friend of mine writes games (my first DM). He is a leader in the industry. He finally after years of development he finally said this about release dates.
"I will release it when its done."
So to the wizards at WolfLair, please continue on and keep up the great work. I was getting tired of DMing and about to toss it all in when I discovered your software and in the process rediscovered my campaign and have found it fun again. Thanks
King Chicken
Active member
I believe, for copyright reasons, Wolf Lair cannot answer to the name "wizards", much like Paizo cannot use the terms Illithid or Beholder.