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Hey Colen

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One fine day in the middle of the night, Jonathan Hurley
<silvercat@dreamseeker.org> got up to write:

>I play Dark Angels, and I have a small quibble with the Dark Angels
>datafiles (v2.0 Pattern Alpha). Specifically, with the way it handles the
>Master/Grand Master of the Deathwing.
>
>Firstly, is he in fact a special character? I looked all through my codex,
>and I found no mention of it. The Master of the Ravenwing mentions that he
>is, both in the Dark Angels Hero section, and in his special rules. But
>there is no such mention in the Master of the Deathwing entry.

I thought it would look more internally consistent (not to mention being
easier for me to handle) if there were seperate {Grand} Master of the
Deathwing entries from the usual Master and Grand Master. In a Deathwing
army he's not treated as a special character, you may notice. If enough
people object violently, I'll change it; does anyone have any strong
opinions on the matter?

>Secondly, why does the AB entry for him give him his required terminator
>armor for free? He is costed at 80 for a Grand Master, and 65 for a Master,
>the same as his non-Deathwing compatriots. He should cost 25 points over the
>non-upgraded characters (105pts / 90pts).

As soon as you add him, the terminator armour cost of 25 points kicks
in.

>Thirdly, I'd like to thank everyone involved for producing these files, and
>hope that just because my first public comment on them is a criticism, that
>they realize that I enormously appreciate their time and effort.

Thanks! :)




BTW: I apologise to the group for the currently flood of my messages
invading it. Normal service will be resumed shortly. :o

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----- Original Message -----
From: "'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills" <demandred@skrill.org>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 15:47
Subject: Re: [AB] Hey Colen


> One fine day in the middle of the night, Jonathan Hurley
> <silvercat@dreamseeker.org> got up to write:
>
> >I play Dark Angels, and I have a small quibble with the Dark Angels
> >datafiles (v2.0 Pattern Alpha). Specifically, with the way it handles the
> >Master/Grand Master of the Deathwing.
> >
> >Firstly, is he in fact a special character? I looked all through my
codex,
> >and I found no mention of it. The Master of the Ravenwing mentions that
he
> >is, both in the Dark Angels Hero section, and in his special rules. But
> >there is no such mention in the Master of the Deathwing entry.
>
> I thought it would look more internally consistent (not to mention being
> easier for me to handle) if there were seperate {Grand} Master of the
> Deathwing entries from the usual Master and Grand Master. In a Deathwing
> army he's not treated as a special character, you may notice. If enough
> people object violently, I'll change it; does anyone have any strong
> opinions on the matter?

I can accept that (especially in the case fo the Master of the Ravenwing,
who *is* quite definately a special character unless in a Ravenwing army).
But the Master of the Deathwing is never listed as a special character
anywhere, merely as a required HQ for a Deathwing army. I do think it works
better to have him as a separate HQ entry from the regular Master of the
Deathwing (I assume it would cause trouble to change the command squad from
tactical to Terminator when the HQ char is 'upgraded' to Master of the
Deathwing.) I just don't think he is a special character within the meaning
of the act (IE, you have to get your opponent's permission to use him).
Since it's a trivial workaround to put him in a non-deathwing army (just
turn on special characters and only use him), I won't be disappointed with
lack of urgency to change it.

Since I have I know the outrider who is planning to run the tournament where
I want to field the army in question, I've already asked him about it.

> >Secondly, why does the AB entry for him give him his required terminator
> >armor for free? He is costed at 80 for a Grand Master, and 65 for a
Master,
> >the same as his non-Deathwing compatriots. He should cost 25 points over
the
> >non-upgraded characters (105pts / 90pts).
>
> As soon as you add him, the terminator armour cost of 25 points kicks
> in.

I saw that later, when it was pointed out to me. Sorry.

Ian Argent, Initiate of the Inner Circle


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One fine day in the middle of the night, Jonathan Hurley
<silvercat@dreamseeker.org> got up to write:

>> I thought it would look more internally consistent (not to mention being
>> easier for me to handle) if there were seperate {Grand} Master of the
>> Deathwing entries from the usual Master and Grand Master. In a Deathwing
>> army he's not treated as a special character, you may notice. If enough
>> people object violently, I'll change it; does anyone have any strong
>> opinions on the matter?
>
>I can accept that (especially in the case fo the Master of the Ravenwing,
>who *is* quite definately a special character unless in a Ravenwing army).
>But the Master of the Deathwing is never listed as a special character
>anywhere, merely as a required HQ for a Deathwing army. I do think it works
>better to have him as a separate HQ entry from the regular Master of the
>Deathwing (I assume it would cause trouble to change the command squad from
>tactical to Terminator when the HQ char is 'upgraded' to Master of the
>Deathwing.)

It would be an annoyance. :)

>I just don't think he is a special character within the meaning
>of the act (IE, you have to get your opponent's permission to use him).
>Since it's a trivial workaround to put him in a non-deathwing army (just
>turn on special characters and only use him), I won't be disappointed with
>lack of urgency to change it.
>
>Since I have I know the outrider who is planning to run the tournament where
>I want to field the army in question, I've already asked him about it.

Anyone have any strong opinions on the above? I've changed the Deathwing
Masters to be not Special Characters for the next version, since they
aren't. :)

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One fine day in the middle of the night, Phil Groff
<philip@psych.utoronto.ca> got up to write:

> One quick note about the AB files for Armageddon PDF forces.  You haven't
> given them assassins as allies, and yet I can find nothing in codex
> Armageddon or codex Assassins that would preclude this.  Was it just an
> oversight?

Yes. :)

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Here's an interesting one for you,

If you take a nob in the outriders warbike squad in the kult of speed, it
suddenly adds an HQ choice to your army...


Phil G.

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One fine day in the middle of the night, Phil Groff
<philip@psych.utoronto.ca> got up to write:

>Here's an interesting one for you,
>
>If you take a nob in the outriders warbike squad in the kult of speed, it
>suddenly adds an HQ choice to your army...

Oops!

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