charlieluce
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PF2 is distinctly structurally different from PF1. Much more than "tweaking" is indicated.
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Lj Stephens
Ex-Staff
Charlieluce is correct about the structural differences. Unfortunately, the two platforms just aren't compatible in their current forms. That's why we simply cannot say when the migration option should be available. We predicted a time, and we were off on that prediction. We're doing our best, promise, to get everything situated. Your continued patience is very much appreciated. 
At this time, what would be the point of migration? To go from a rather capable system to one that is far behind in capability (and probably data sources)? Unless the data format is compatible, then it will also take time to bring that content over. In the meantime SF and PF2 suffer considerably due to the splitting of resources. LJ, asking for patience is getting old. SF was supposed to be much farther along by now. But, then LW decided to support a playtest. Not sure why, because it put the paying customers on hold. LW tried to support PF2 on opening day (nowhere near that for SF), but was poorly managed and with spotty capability during Gencon. Now hearing about migration and other games being supported, it's very hard to believe that SF will ever be done.
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That is the three dollar question. With Starfinder and PF2, I am sure that the system/program on the server will be able to do PF1 just fine. My point was that the packages already done for the Classic program would need to have some sort of conversion process instead of having to redo every one of them. I think we all assume that this is gonna be the case, though I wouldn't be surprised if there was some aspect of the online App that will need some adjustments to effect it.
Edit ... Was answering the question here -->With the base programming for Pathfinder 2.0 already done, how difficult would it be to tweak it to work with Pathfinder 1.0? <--
Edit ... Was answering the question here -->With the base programming for Pathfinder 2.0 already done, how difficult would it be to tweak it to work with Pathfinder 1.0? <--
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They are not in over their heads. My gut feeling is that HLO will be better as time goes on, with improvements that take it beyond the capabilities of the original program. The main problem, right now for me, is the lack of offline use, even for reference, and the limited choice on Print options. Hopefully, there will be a way to institute the Character Portfolio or the normal format for the Character sheet in the book.
Look at the speed of RW development, you could be right but the timescale might mean that folks have moved to other tools before then.
Lj Stephens
Ex-Staff
Well, I admit we are not moving as quickly as we'd like to, but we are chugging along, and planning to implement migration of content from HLC to HLO as we're able.
So why not focus all your attention on one task, get it done, and then move on to the next. And then let your customers know that your doing that. And that when you complete those tasks, you will move on to others.
Give a visual time frame map of what your doing and what your moving to after that.
Pull some overtime (if your not already).
Maybe even spend some money to farm out some of the tasks. Its either that or it'll get so bad that people will just move on to some other character generator software or this is the way other companies are born. And those companies that are born will use your failures as a marketing tool for their "bigger and better" product.
Give a visual time frame map of what your doing and what your moving to after that.
Pull some overtime (if your not already).
Maybe even spend some money to farm out some of the tasks. Its either that or it'll get so bad that people will just move on to some other character generator software or this is the way other companies are born. And those companies that are born will use your failures as a marketing tool for their "bigger and better" product.
Right now, the best solution others have found is using Excel or Open Office to do a character sheet with. I had hoped that Code Monkey Publishing would have come out with their creation and have some sort way for the user to "forge" his own system, using the universal character generator to create and keep track of characters, much like how HeroLab Classic but with more using input on how to adjust and keep things straight.
This never came to fuiation as Etools was forced to go off market (In favor of the online generator from Wizards) and the money they had coming in dried up.
I hope that some of that philosophy comes into HLO, with offline program use being a feature instead of a failsafe. I look at it as a reader of the work used online, going back online to level up and add features, like new books and such. Right now, it seems the concentration is on getting PF2 and Starfinder right, and with the starship battle being implemented (if they have not given up on it) along with the Society Organized play plug in for boons and chronicles.
This never came to fuiation as Etools was forced to go off market (In favor of the online generator from Wizards) and the money they had coming in dried up.
I hope that some of that philosophy comes into HLO, with offline program use being a feature instead of a failsafe. I look at it as a reader of the work used online, going back online to level up and add features, like new books and such. Right now, it seems the concentration is on getting PF2 and Starfinder right, and with the starship battle being implemented (if they have not given up on it) along with the Society Organized play plug in for boons and chronicles.
Realm works and herolab online
Hey guys I invested a lot of time and money into Realm works and hero lab classic I'm alright using hero lab online I also purchased that also that's alright I love the product. The only thing I cannot believe I cannot use Realm works with hero lab online or is there a way you can show me or I have to wait for that feature to come out tell me something because I love second edition I think I have a better grasp pathfinder second edition then the first one because I am such a first addition D in D player and DM
Hey guys I invested a lot of time and money into Realm works and hero lab classic I'm alright using hero lab online I also purchased that also that's alright I love the product. The only thing I cannot believe I cannot use Realm works with hero lab online or is there a way you can show me or I have to wait for that feature to come out tell me something because I love second edition I think I have a better grasp pathfinder second edition then the first one because I am such a first addition D in D player and DM
You can store web links in Realm Works, so you can store a link to the relevant page in HLO.
Lj Stephens
Ex-Staff
Thanks Farling!
Hey guys I invested a lot of time and money into Realm works and hero lab classic I'm alright using hero lab online I also purchased that also that's alright I love the product. The only thing I cannot believe I cannot use Realm works with hero lab online or is there a way you can show me or I have to wait for that feature to come out tell me something because I love second edition I think I have a better grasp pathfinder second edition then the first one because I am such a first addition D in D player and DM
I know those 2 procedures very well, the problem is that I was hoping for some information maybe some hope down the line yeah we can have the same interface that we have with hero lab classic. because I use hyperlinks but it's not the same as pulling up several creatures on "tactical console". If hero lab online has a tactical console oh wait. Characters and monsters for me to use in combat not just one character at a time I will be very appreciated if you can show me. And a second question I have will realm works will have a Realm template for Pathfinder second edition
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PF1 launching in HLO won’t be occurring in 2019 due to our recent downsizing. Our immediate focus is on everything for Pathfinder 2nd Edition, new books for Starfinder, and the launch of Shadowrun 6th Edition. We're also getting everything into place for the much anticipated Campaign Theater. Once those are solidly established, we'll be able to shift our attention to further evolving and expanding our Hero Lab Online offerings.
Maidhc O Casain
Well-known member
Sorry, but even though I'm an LWD fan my experience with y'all leads me to believe that this will be a 'never gonna happen' deal. Judging by their PF1 schedule, Paizo will be releasing a book a month and it will be all (the recently downsized) LWD can do to keep HLO current for that system. Much less setting up a PF1 system as well...
You forget the monthly release for Starfinder along side PF2, and also any additional releases for SR6 if that becomes a long-term support game system.