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Has anyone made stock files for Summon Monster & Nature's Ally?
- Thread starter Unseelie
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thedarkelf007
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It would be useful 
Though you would need a celestial and a fiendish version for summon monster
Though you would need a celestial and a fiendish version for summon monster
chiefweasel
Well-known member
Hey Unseelie, I am a bit confused, how would what you are asking for be diffferent from pulling the creatures from the stock files?
ShadowChemosh
Well-known member
Yes level 1 and 2 are in the Community Player Pack download. I have not had time yet to do the rest yet. If you wish to do them and send them to me I would be happy to include them.
That is what I have done but its nice during combat for a player to simply select pre-made ones all done then have to make it up on the fly.
The benefit would be the convenience - instead of finding a dire rat in the correct miscellaneous monsters file and then adding the Augment Summoning adjustment, and then adding the fiendish template, you can go to "Summon Monster I (w/Augment Summoning)", and pull in "Rat, Dire (Fiendish)".
Our problem with doing that (other than the time to compile it all) is the amount of size it would take up in the download - most of the monsters need to be duplicated 4x to handle all 4 alignment templates, and then they all need to be duplicated 2x, so that you can have augment and non-augmented versions of each.
Our problem with doing that (other than the time to compile it all) is the amount of size it would take up in the download - most of the monsters need to be duplicated 4x to handle all 4 alignment templates, and then they all need to be duplicated 2x, so that you can have augment and non-augmented versions of each.
Mathias pretty much nailed it, convenience. With everything I have installed, well, there's a ton of stock files I can import from. Being able to go to the right file for Summon Monster III and import a Blink Dog (Celestial) would save me time. Even more so if it's a critter like a Celestial Bison, where I inevitably forget that it's in the Bestiary under Herd Animal and load the wrong file.
I certainly can see the size concern, but I was thinking about this more as something that people could download if they like, not part of Hero Lab or the Bestiary package. That said, even a base file with just the unmodified critters that I could then apply the appropriate templates to would still help some. I've pretty much convinced myself that it's a time savings for myself. I just wasn't sure if it would be of any interest to others.
Also, and I'll file this as an enhancement request, but it would be nice if there was text entry search field in the import dialog. Some of these stock import files are long...
I certainly can see the size concern, but I was thinking about this more as something that people could download if they like, not part of Hero Lab or the Bestiary package. That said, even a base file with just the unmodified critters that I could then apply the appropriate templates to would still help some. I've pretty much convinced myself that it's a time savings for myself. I just wasn't sure if it would be of any interest to others.
Also, and I'll file this as an enhancement request, but it would be nice if there was text entry search field in the import dialog. Some of these stock import files are long...
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Yes level 1 and 2 are in the Community Player Pack download. I have not had time yet to do the rest yet. If you wish to do them and send them to me I would be happy to include them.
That is what I have done but its nice during combat for a player to simply select pre-made ones all done then have to make it up on the fly.
Ah, that would explain why I didn't see them then... I have the Bestiary loaded instead of the Player Pack. Since I'm the GM and running the tactical console, it's more useful to me than my players.
I'll look at what you have, and see about working on the others in the same format.
ShadowChemosh
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I do agree with Mathias size is killing me for things like the Community Bestiary as the .stock files are really big. All told the Community Bestiary is 1,000% bigger than the whole Pathfinder.hl download. 
Pathfinder.hl is almost a 100 megs. All the .por files together currently total over a gig for the Community Bestiary!
Pathfinder.hl is almost a 100 megs. All the .por files together currently total over a gig for the Community Bestiary!
I do agree with Mathias size is killing me for things like the Community Bestiary as the .stock files are really big. All told the Community Bestiary is 1,000% bigger than the whole Pathfinder.hl download.
Pathfinder.hl is almost a 100 megs. All the .por files together currently total over a gig for the Community Bestiary!
Maybe just the base critters then, because as others pointed out, applying Celestial, Fiendish, and Augmented templates doesn't take too long. For me, it's more about finding the correct miscellaneous file, and then said file not being as long to search through.
ShadowChemosh
Well-known member
For now I did add the templates and why I did it for the player pack as that is pretty small download still. Also why I have moved so much of the CB to individual .zip files.
What I did so for was do each type Celestial, Fiendish, non-templated, and added the adjustment for Augmented Feat to all the .por files but didn't have it turned on. This way you import the one you want and if you go to the "In-Play" tab you can easily click on the "Augment Summoning" feat or leave it off if you don't have it.
That is what I thought would make it easy to use but I am mostly a DM so hard to know what "Crazy" players find easy.
For now I did add the templates and why I did it for the player pack as that is pretty small download still. Also why I have moved so much of the CB to individual .zip files.
What I did so for was do each type Celestial, Fiendish, non-templated, and added the adjustment for Augmented Feat to all the .por files but didn't have it turned on. This way you import the one you want and if you go to the "In-Play" tab you can easily click on the "Augment Summoning" feat or leave it off if you don't have it.
That is what I thought would make it easy to use but I am mostly a DM so hard to know what "Crazy" players find easy.
Clever. I wouldn't have thought of using an in-play adjustment. I was toying with an Augmented template... your approach is better.
ShadowChemosh
Well-known member
Thanks. On the "Adjust" tab is a the "Conferred Ability Adjustments" which covers classes and some feats like "Augment Summoning". So I simply pre-added that adjustment.
And I am sorry I got mixed up between "In-Play" and "Adjust". I meant to say "Adjust" tab not "in-play" tab.
randomtone
New member
This is five years old, does somebody have these that they can make a new link for?