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Extra inventory tracking features

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I'd like to be able to record as part of my "owned" cards those that are in
transit so that I don't go out and get more of those same cards when I
don't strictly need to.

I'd personally prefer not to add these cards to my "owned" until they
actually arrive, however I'd like them able to be included...and I'd also
*love* to be able to note whom the transit cards were coming from.

Any chance of having something like this added to CV?

R.


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At 06:43 PM 10/8/2003, you wrote:
>I'd like to be able to record as part of my "owned" cards those that are in
>transit so that I don't go out and get more of those same cards when I
>don't strictly need to.
>
>I'd personally prefer not to add these cards to my "owned" until they
>actually arrive, however I'd like them able to be included...and I'd also
>*love* to be able to note whom the transit cards were coming from.

You could add those as 'Reserved' quality, then, when they arrive, move
them from Reserved to Mint (or whatever quality they actually happen to be).

Adding notes to cards in the inventory would be more difficult to do, and
isn't currently possible. I'll ask Rob to put it on the to do list.

Thanks,


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>Adding notes to cards in the inventory would be more difficult to do, and
>isn't currently possible. I'll ask Rob to put it on the to do list.

I just use Post-It Notes ^__^

Put them by your PC or with the cards for that particular game until the cards come in the mail or w/e.


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At 07:54 AM 10/10/2003, Kyle Turner wrote:

>I just use Post-It Notes ^__^

I've tried that...

>Put them by your PC or with the cards for that particular game until the
>cards come in the mail or w/e.

I have 4-5 piles of paper a foot high by *each* of my PCs, much of which is
card related.

Putting paper with my magic cards would be difficult, which of the 50-60
boxes do I put the paper in? :)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Russell J. Alphey
To: cardvault@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: [CardVault] Extra inventory tracking features


At 07:54 AM 10/10/2003, Kyle Turner wrote:

>>I just use Post-It Notes ^__^

>I've tried that...

>>Put them by your PC or with the cards for that particular game until the
>>cards come in the mail or w/e.

>I have 4-5 piles of paper a foot high by *each* of my PCs, much of which is
>card related.

Dude, 3 hole punch + 3 ring binders. Thats what I use, and things will be simpler to find too.

>Putting paper with my magic cards would be difficult, which of the 50-60
>boxes do I put the paper in? :)

Whichever one would be most appropriate for that particular card, or, you could just use a special box for an IN/OUT box. Makes things a lot simpler when you trade/buy/sell by mail a lot.



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At 08:29 AM 10/10/2003, Kyle Turner wrote:

> >I have 4-5 piles of paper a foot high by *each* of my PCs, much of
> which is
> >card related.
>
> Dude, 3 hole punch + 3 ring binders. Thats what I use, and things will
> be simpler to find too.

And my desks would collapse under the weight of the folders! :)
Hey, I've had a thought, maybe this computer doo-hickey on my desk could
store my notes! :)

> Whichever one would be most appropriate for that particular card, or,
> you could just use a special box for an IN/OUT box. Makes things a lot
> simpler when you trade/buy/sell by mail a lot.

Good idea, however I'm much more interested in having CV modified so that I
can use it to do all the tasks associated with maintaining my card
collection...

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>Good idea, however I'm much more interested in having CV modified so that I
>can use it to do all the tasks associated with maintaining my card
>collection...

Well, of course. I look forward to the day when all I'll need is CV and my actual cards. Just throwing out some ideas for stop-gaps till they can get CV up to our standards;-) I only wish they had the resources to do everything we want and need as fast as we can come up with new things for CV to do:-P



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At 09:13 AM 10/10/2003, Kyle Turner wrote:

>I only wish they had the resources to do everything we want and need as
>fast as we can come up with new things for CV to do:-P

I think relieving them of the burden of datafile maintenance would be a
good start!
But I have a vested interested in doing that anyway :)

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Russell J. Alphey wrote:

> At 09:13 AM 10/10/2003, Kyle Turner wrote:
>
> >I only wish they had the resources to do everything we want and need as
> >fast as we can come up with new things for CV to do:-P
>
> I think relieving them of the burden of datafile maintenance would be a
> good start!
> But I have a vested interested in doing that anyway :)
>

I know I've been doing my share :-P (5 datafiles and 6 skins under my belt)

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That sounds like it might be useful. :-)

I've now added it to the todo list. As mentioned before, that doesn't
guarantee it will be in the next release, but it will definitely be on the
list of things considered for the next release.

FYI: The things that also get added first are the things that we think are
most useful to the widest number of users, along with those things that
users ask for the most.

Thanks, Rob

At 11:43 AM 10/9/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>I'd like to be able to record as part of my "owned" cards those that are in
>transit so that I don't go out and get more of those same cards when I
>don't strictly need to.
>
>I'd personally prefer not to add these cards to my "owned" until they
>actually arrive, however I'd like them able to be included...and I'd also
>*love* to be able to note whom the transit cards were coming from.
>
>Any chance of having something like this added to CV?
>
>R.


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Adding user-defined qualities is on the todo list, but there is a big
potential pitfall with doing it, hence the delay thus far. The problem is
that we've developed the exchange file mechanism in anticipation of the
partner mechanism being utilized by trading sites. Once those start to come
online, user-defined quality ratings will make it impossible to effect
trades using those ratings. To support trades through online sites, a
standardized set of quality ratings is necessitated. Given this, do you
have any recommendations for how you'd like to see things handled from the
user perspective???

I've now added to the todo list the feature for user-defined notes on cards
in the inventory.

-Rob

At 08:44 AM 10/10/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>At 06:22 AM 10/10/2003, you wrote:
> > >I'd personally prefer not to add these cards to my "owned" until they
> > >actually arrive, however I'd like them able to be included...and I'd also
> > >*love* to be able to note whom the transit cards were coming from.
> >
> >You could add those as 'Reserved' quality, then, when they arrive, move
> >them from Reserved to Mint (or whatever quality they actually happen to be).
>
>But Reserved doesn't appear in the quality summary window, meaning I
>wouldn't know that they were coming when I checked inventory.
>
>Obviously using reserved isn't the best option, but another quality might be.
>
>Which brings me to another "request" - could qualities be user defined?
>Rather than unknown, poor, good, fine... if I could change the text to suit
>myself, or even better yet, add my own "quality" values, then that would be
>great!
>
> >Adding notes to cards in the inventory would be more difficult to do, and
> >isn't currently possible. I'll ask Rob to put it on the to do list.
>
>That would be great too :)
>
>Thanks for your help, as always!
>
>R.


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Just to add to what Colen said, the two new qualities were critical
additions for even more reasons. The reserved quality is needed to allow
users to build decks with those cards EXCLUDED from availability during
deck construction. The electronic quality is needed so that users can use
inventory validation of decks against just the electronic card inventory,
exclusive of any physical cards owned. These are in addition to the points
that Colen identified.

User qualities may be useful, but they undermine any formal exchange of
trade/want lists. I'm anxious to hear what folks have in mind for this (see
my previous post on the subject).

Thanks, Rob

At 04:34 PM 10/9/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 03:52 PM 10/9/2003, you wrote:
> > >>>Which brings me to another "request" - could qualities be user defined?
> >Rather than unknown, poor, good, fine... if I could change the text to suit
> >myself, or even better yet, add my own "quality" values, then that would be
> >great!
> >
> >I think this would be a good idea. Whenever someone wants to track
> >something you haven't thought of through inventory, you guys always tell
> >them to use an alternate quality. This makes sense and all, but with the
> >ability to make a new quality based on whatever the new thing is they want
> >to track, things would be much simpler, and there wouldn't be new
> >qualities needing to be added to (like electronic quality) The new
> >qualities the user would define should be game-system based though and not
> >used across all game systems.
>
>I believe this is already on the to-do list. However, the new qualities
>were needed, even if that feature had been added in 1.3. Why? Let's say
>that two people want to record their electronic cards, and one of them
>creates a new category of "electronic". The other creates a new category of
>"computar", perhaps because they can't spell. The addition of an extra
>Electronic quality makes it as easy as it ever was to record and trade
>electronic cards.


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At 05:50 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
>To support trades through online sites, a
>standardized set of quality ratings is necessitated. Given this, do you
>have any recommendations for how you'd like to see things handled from the
>user perspective???

For the purposes of trading I personally would use stardard ratings for my
haves and wants. The personalised
ratings would cover such things as signed cards (where these weren't
supported by the data file author as standard).
I'd also use it to track my collection (at present), because the Reserved
quality doesn't show up when looking at
the quality summary, meaning I can't tell at a glance where my collection &
play set is at.

I see the personalised ratings as handling things that only I care about,
although it would be *extremely* handy
if personalised ratings could be treated as a subset of another rating if
desired. Eg. I have 4 mint Black Lotus,
of which 2 are signed and 2 are unsigned.

I guess this comes back to my previous request for the ability to view data
in summary fashion and be able
to break it down by definable categories as desired :)

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I didn't think anyone would want to view the Reserved cards in the summary
window, so I intentionally didn't add it. We can easily add that into a
V1.3a update. There are a few bugs that folks have reported that need
fixing, and we can simply consider that an "oversight" bug. :-)

-Rob

At 06:17 PM 10/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>At 05:50 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
> >To support trades through online sites, a
> >standardized set of quality ratings is necessitated. Given this, do you
> >have any recommendations for how you'd like to see things handled from the
> >user perspective???
>
>For the purposes of trading I personally would use stardard ratings for my
>haves and wants. The personalised
>ratings would cover such things as signed cards (where these weren't
>supported by the data file author as standard).
>I'd also use it to track my collection (at present), because the Reserved
>quality doesn't show up when looking at
>the quality summary, meaning I can't tell at a glance where my collection &
>play set is at.
>
>I see the personalised ratings as handling things that only I care about,
>although it would be *extremely* handy
>if personalised ratings could be treated as a subset of another rating if
>desired. Eg. I have 4 mint Black Lotus,
>of which 2 are signed and 2 are unsigned.
>
>I guess this comes back to my previous request for the ability to view data
>in summary fashion and be able
>to break it down by definable categories as desired :)
>
>R.


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At 06:16 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
>The reserved quality is needed to allow
>users to build decks with those cards EXCLUDED from availability during
>deck construction.

Hmmm, then I've been misusing it, because I will use cards from my
collection in deck building IF NECESSARY, but my preference is not to.

>User qualities may be useful, but they undermine any formal exchange of
>trade/want lists.

If they are personalised subsets of the major data then that shouldn't
cause any grief?

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At 05:34 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
>That sounds like it might be useful. :-)

I am available for hire... :)

>FYI: The things that also get added first are the things that we think are
>most useful to the widest number of users, along with those things that
>users ask for the most.

So if I ask for something frequently does that count? :)

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At 06:31 PM 10/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>At 06:16 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
> >The reserved quality is needed to allow
> >users to build decks with those cards EXCLUDED from availability during
> >deck construction.
>
>Hmmm, then I've been misusing it, because I will use cards from my
>collection in deck building IF NECESSARY, but my preference is not to.

I don't think you're using the quality rating incorrectly. The goal is to
build a deck that doesn't use the reserved cards. So validation flags any
shortages with reserved cards excluded. If you really need to build a given
deck using reserved cards, you can quickly check the reserved quantity to
make sure you're covered.

FYI. Of the various proponents of this feature, reserved cards were always
characterized as "off limits" for use in deck construction. At no time did
anyone mention that they will actually use reserved cards if necessary. So
I thought it was an absolute instead of a preference to avoid using those
cards. Hence the design as you see it today.... :-(

And yes, I'm now adding to the todo list the ability to toggle whether
reserved cards are/aren't included in inventory validation numbers. This
would allow you to toggle it as needed to instantly check if you have the
cards to build a deck with or without having to dip into the reserved cards.

> >User qualities may be useful, but they undermine any formal exchange of
> >trade/want lists.
>
>If they are personalised subsets of the major data then that shouldn't
>cause any grief?

Well, if they are simply subsets, then you are correct. Until this moment,
custom quality ratings have never been characterized as subsets, hence my
concern. However, if they are treated as subsets, then it introduces some
additional wrinkles. How does CV help the user police these subsets for
accuracy and consistency. For example, let's say a user creates a custom
quality rating named "signed" for tracking signed cards, regardless of
physical quality. So now that user has 3 signed copies of card XYZ, one of
which is Good quality and the others Mint. Should CV simply ignore those 3
copies of the custom quality? Does CV need to verify that number complies
with some other criteria? How confusing will it be for users to have some
numbers that are totalled and tracked, while others are not?

I don't know the answers to these questions, and I'm sure there will be
many more as soon as the issue starts being really thought through. I'm
just posing a few of the factors that come to mind that will need to be
considered and addressed in trying to implement an appropriate solution. :-)

-Rob

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At 06:33 PM 10/11/2003 +1000, you wrote:
>At 05:34 PM 11/10/2003, Rob Bowes wrote:
> >That sounds like it might be useful. :-)
>
>I am available for hire... :)

Are you willing to work for peanuts? You'll have to shell them yourself, of
course. :-)

> >FYI: The things that also get added first are the things that we think are
> >most useful to the widest number of users, along with those things that
> >users ask for the most.
>
>So if I ask for something frequently does that count? :)

No. I'm pretty aware of who is asking for what features. You are welcome to
lobby for something you think is valuable and encourage others to chime in
if they agree. But if they don't voice their agreement, then your
suggestion is more visible as lacking the extra votes, and that calls
attention to it being not as valuable a feature as we might otherwise deem
it. So pick your features and lobby for them if you wish.... :-)

-Rob

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And then some!! :-)

-Rob

At 12:27 AM 10/10/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I know I've been doing my share :-P (5 datafiles and 6 skins under my belt)


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Woo! I know I'd love to update datafiles... There are a few games I
play that I'm pretty... well.. anal retentive about..

I like to keep all my stuff in order, I guess.

-Luke

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