-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Campbell [mailto:shawn@electricstitch.com]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 12:11 AM
To:
ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Enquiring minds...
Okay, I was in a bit of a rush... I'll be more specific.
/me
=Sounds Good....
/end me
The wording in the IA articles, for both Chaos and Imperial Space
Marines
is:
"[insert chapter] use the following units from Codex (Chaos) Space
Marines."
and
"The following rules and Codex changes apply when using [insert chapter]
army."
The Chaos Cultists and Vehicle Design Rules are chapter approved
additions.
/me
==There is a difference, VDR is optional, where Cultists are additional
rules.
/end me
The Land Raider Crusader is from Codex: Armageddon. The article only
shows
which units from Codex (Chaos) Space Marine that can be used. The
chapter
approved and Codex: Armageddon are "in addition to" the codex.
In the Chapter Approved Compilation, it is stated:
For Cultists, "Any Chaos Space Marine army may include units of Chaos
Cultists..."
/me
==Exactly, Any |Chaos Space Marine Army| (look at the cover of the Chaos
Codex, "Chaos Space Marines", then look on page 4 at the top "Chaos
Space Marine Army." That is what we are talking about. Look at the
heading of any of the below mentioned Legions and you will see "Iron
Warriors Army, Night Lords Army, etc. None of them say "Chaos Space
Marine Army." And if they had their own 32 page codex, I would bet that
on the cover it would say : Codex: Iron Warriors or something.
/end Me
I think Emperor's Children, Night Lords, World Eaters, etc... all count
as
"Chaos Space Marine armys".
/me
==That's cool with me, but there is only one place where you can build a
"Chaos Space Marine Army" and that is by using "Codex : Chaos Space
Marines" Otherwise you are building a World Eaters Army, or a Night
Lords Army. I will not argue that the NL, WE, ETC are OF chaos, but
they are not listed as Chaos Space Marine Armies.
/end me
I didn't find a specific quote for VDR, but basically any army may have
VDR
vehicles (with opponent permission), even though the IA article doesn't
mention it. It doesn't make any sense to limit VDR to only Strict Codex
armies.
In Codex: Armageddon, it is stated:
For Land Raider Crusader, "Other Space Marine Chapters may take Crusader
pattern Land Raiders, but their greater rarity outside the Black
Templars
Chapter means that other Chapters are limited to having a maximum of
only
one."
If all chapters have access to LRC's, then they should be allowed to the
IA
chapters as well.
So, as I stated, for the same reason as VDR and the Land Raider
Crusader,
Cultists are allowed in ANY chaos army.
/me
Well, your creating the datafiles, so your interpretation is what will
rule the day, but I must say, that you are incorrect. Cultists are not
allowed in any |Chaos Army|, they are allowed in any |Chaos Space Marine
Army|.
Again, thanks for working on the datafiles, I just am not looking
forward to having to explain this to every person I play that takes the
AB files as law =] Not that it will be much of a problem for
long...soon we shall have the Codex for all of this and then there shall
be no grey area.
Anyway, just wanted to hear your take on this.
Good Hunting
TP
/end me
Shawn 'Not Colen' Campbell
40k3@electricstitch.com
http://www.electricstitch.com/ab_files (submit bug reports and view
history)
> What?
> > Now onto my question, I have been mulling this over for a few weeks
> now
> > and am very curious about a change that you made when you took over
> the
> > 40K datafiles. Why is it that you made Cultists available for
armies
> > such as:
>
> For the same reasons VDR is allowed and all space marine chapters get
> the
> Land Raider Crusader.
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