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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
From: richard.j2.lonski@mail.sprint.com
2. Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
From: cgift@hotmail.com
3. Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
4. Re: Composition Rule Set
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
5. Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: Tyranid Monstrosities
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
6. Re: Placement of points for weapons
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
7. asking about a background option
From: skaven13@aol.com
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:32:41 -0000
From: richard.j2.lonski@mail.sprint.com
Subject: Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
--- In armybuilder@y..., ice_age@h... wrote:
> --- In armybuilder@y..., richard.j2.lonski@m... wrote:
> > Please forgive the alliteration, but I couldn't resist.
> >
> > When I make a chaos terminator squad a cult squad, I have the
> option
> > to make them troop choices. I don't think this is correct,
> although I
> > would love to have a Chaoswing army (a.k.a. the Chaos Deathwing),
I
> > think folks would be irritated.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> In the GW FAQ they state that, "Basically you get to use the stats
> (apart from save) and special rules for the cult Marines (Berzerkers
> etc), with the saves, equipment and upgrades of the Terminators."
>
> This includes the ability for cult termies to be used as troops
(it's
> mentioned specifically). So go ahead and make that Chaoswing, and
> post some pics when you're done.
>
> Keith Hann
If they share stats (except for armor), then shouldn't the 1000 Sons
Terminators get 2W?....or did they mention that too?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:41:09 -0000
From: cgift@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
--- In armybuilder@y..., ice_age@h... wrote:
> --- In armybuilder@y..., richard.j2.lonski@m... wrote:
> > Please forgive the alliteration, but I couldn't resist.
> >
> > When I make a chaos terminator squad a cult squad, I have the
> option
> > to make them troop choices. I don't think this is correct,
> although I
> > would love to have a Chaoswing army (a.k.a. the Chaos Deathwing),
I
> > think folks would be irritated.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> In the GW FAQ they state that, "Basically you get to use the stats
> (apart from save) and special rules for the cult Marines
(Berzerkers
> etc), with the saves, equipment and upgrades of the Terminators."
>
> This includes the ability for cult termies to be used as troops
(it's
> mentioned specifically). So go ahead and make that Chaoswing, and
> post some pics when you're done.
>
> Keith Hann
I have not seen that FAQ, but it makes sense, however, does that mean
that noise marine terminators:
A: count towards the noise marine requirement for a warp amp?
B: get a free champion upgrade is fielded in a unit of 6 per the EC
article in the latest WD?
I would say yes, but I have not seen any clarification or mention
of that by GW.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:46:27 -0000
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
--- In armybuilder@y..., cgift@h... wrote:
> --- In armybuilder@y..., ice_age@h... wrote:
> > --- In armybuilder@y..., richard.j2.lonski@m... wrote:
>> In the GW FAQ they state that, "Basically you get to use the stats
>> (apart from save) and special rules for the cult Marines
>> (Berzerkers etc), with the saves, equipment and upgrades of the
>> Terminators."
>>
>> This includes the ability for cult termies to be used as troops
>> (it's mentioned specifically). So go ahead and make that
>> Chaoswing, and post some pics when you're done.
>>
>> Keith Hann
*If they share stats (except for armor), then shouldn't the 1000 Sons
Terminators get 2W?....or did they mention that too?*
**I have not seen that FAQ, but it makes sense, however, does that
mean that noise marine terminators:
A: count towards the noise marine requirement for a warp amp?
B: get a free champion upgrade is fielded in a unit of 6 per the EC
article in the latest WD?
I would say yes, but I have not seen any clarification or mention
of that by GW.**
I figure I'll answer both questions here:
Do Thousand Sons Terminators get two wounds? Well, you'd think so,
wouldn't you? It was obvious from the start that they should, and
that is what the FAQ strongly suggests. However, 1KSons Termies do
not have 2 wounds in any GW source, and the FAQ never corrects that
specifically, so no, they don't. Oddly enough they don't have
the "can't ever charge" disad either. They are revising the Cult
Termie rules for the Chapter Approved codex, and hopefully these are
some of the revisions included. Tzeentch was really given the shaft
this edition.
As for the Noise Marine question, I don't own a Chaos codex, so I
couldn't answer the first part, as the exact wording is fairly
important. All I know is that Noise Marine Terminators count as
troops if you wish. They don't count as Noise Marines (a seperate
unit altogether). They definately do not get a free Aspiring
Champion, as that rule only applies to an Emperor's Children army,
and then only to Noise Marines. NM Termies can count as troops, buy
can't count as Noise Marines, which is what the sacred number rule
applies to.
Keith Hann
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:11:16 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Composition Rule Set
One fine day in the middle of the night, DiPonio <DiPonio@voyager.net>
got up to write:
>Greetings Again,
>Two posts in one night....wow....i'm running rampent!!!
"Great"
>Was wondering if it might be possiable in a future release to make it so that
>you can change the composition rule set without having to rebuild the whole
>roster.
>
>Example:
>I build an army with a Standard Force Org Comp Set
>
>I want to apply it to a Breakout Mission with a New Comp Set.
>
>Would be nice to be able to check the new Comp Setting and see how it fits.
You can currently do so in a limited way - if you're in a non-standard
mission scenario (for example, Battle - Defender) go to the Roster menu,
select Composition Rule Set, and select Standard Mission. This activates
the Standard Mission ruleset instead of the Battle Defender one.
However, "Battle - Defender" will still display on printouts etc. In
summary, it would be possible, but not doing it lets you select missions
really easily - from the Scenario selector in the Create Army screen. So
it's unlikely to change, I'm afraid. :/
--
'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:05:14 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: Tyranid Monstrosities
One fine day in the middle of the night, TAGARNO A/S - Niels Peter Gibe
<np@tagarno.dk> got up to write:
>>A Spinefist being Ranged and Massive counts as two slots. Therefore, you
>>now have 3 "slots" worth of weapons. Can you see the problem with this?
>
>Why does a Ranged and Massive <shooty weapon> counts as two slots?
Because it says so in the rules
>I am
>currently at work, so I don't have WD255 with me, but I don't remember anything
>in the article saying, that you can't combine the ranged and massive features
>with a <shooty weapon>. Following your logic, a massive spinefist is two slots
>in it self.
No, just a Ranged Massive spinefist. I don't have the White Dwarf here,
but IIRC:
For a normal creature, if you take Ranged and Massive on a weapon, it
counts as two weapons.
For a creature with Mass Points, if you take Cluster and Spasm on a
weapon, it counts as two weapons.
IIRC, it's on the fourth page of the article, on the same page as the
descriptions of Wrecker, Tunneller, etc., about half way down the first
column.
--
'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:08:04 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Placement of points for weapons
One fine day in the middle of the night, DiPonio <DiPonio@voyager.net>
got up to write:
>Greetings,
>Was wondering if it would be realistic to be able to modify the 40K files, so
>that the point costs for weapons and stuff for characters is reflected in the
>'Equipment
>Summary' statistics.
>
>Example :
>
>Archon with hellmask and agonizer shows this:
>
>HQ @ 85 points
>Equipment Summary @ 5 points
>
>When actually the equipment summary should be 25 points (agonizer and hellmask
>are both bought from the wargear page).
I am sorry to say that
all marks in exam
you seem to have lost.
It's all haikus all the time here in Sunny Scotland. First, the Agoniser
doesn't count as Wargear, which is really what the Equipment summary is
trying to show. Secondly, no, it would not be in any way feasible for me
to modify the files so it would appear like that. Sorry
--
'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 01:48:53 -0000
From: skaven13@aol.com
Subject: asking about a background option
I know that if you run either the demo version of army builder, or if
you run the cd version without the cd in the drive, then the rosters
have an image on the page saying demo mode (or something close). Is
there a way to make this image appear using the full version, and
with different images?
I wouldn't mind seeing the inquisitor's "I" symbol as a background
image for my marines, or some other picture for my tyranids.
Chris Stricker
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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
From: richard.j2.lonski@mail.sprint.com
2. Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
From: cgift@hotmail.com
3. Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
4. Re: Composition Rule Set
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
5. Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: Tyranid Monstrosities
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
6. Re: Placement of points for weapons
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
7. asking about a background option
From: skaven13@aol.com
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:32:41 -0000
From: richard.j2.lonski@mail.sprint.com
Subject: Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
--- In armybuilder@y..., ice_age@h... wrote:
> --- In armybuilder@y..., richard.j2.lonski@m... wrote:
> > Please forgive the alliteration, but I couldn't resist.
> >
> > When I make a chaos terminator squad a cult squad, I have the
> option
> > to make them troop choices. I don't think this is correct,
> although I
> > would love to have a Chaoswing army (a.k.a. the Chaos Deathwing),
I
> > think folks would be irritated.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> In the GW FAQ they state that, "Basically you get to use the stats
> (apart from save) and special rules for the cult Marines (Berzerkers
> etc), with the saves, equipment and upgrades of the Terminators."
>
> This includes the ability for cult termies to be used as troops
(it's
> mentioned specifically). So go ahead and make that Chaoswing, and
> post some pics when you're done.
>
> Keith Hann
If they share stats (except for armor), then shouldn't the 1000 Sons
Terminators get 2W?....or did they mention that too?
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:41:09 -0000
From: cgift@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
--- In armybuilder@y..., ice_age@h... wrote:
> --- In armybuilder@y..., richard.j2.lonski@m... wrote:
> > Please forgive the alliteration, but I couldn't resist.
> >
> > When I make a chaos terminator squad a cult squad, I have the
> option
> > to make them troop choices. I don't think this is correct,
> although I
> > would love to have a Chaoswing army (a.k.a. the Chaos Deathwing),
I
> > think folks would be irritated.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
> In the GW FAQ they state that, "Basically you get to use the stats
> (apart from save) and special rules for the cult Marines
(Berzerkers
> etc), with the saves, equipment and upgrades of the Terminators."
>
> This includes the ability for cult termies to be used as troops
(it's
> mentioned specifically). So go ahead and make that Chaoswing, and
> post some pics when you're done.
>
> Keith Hann
I have not seen that FAQ, but it makes sense, however, does that mean
that noise marine terminators:
A: count towards the noise marine requirement for a warp amp?
B: get a free champion upgrade is fielded in a unit of 6 per the EC
article in the latest WD?
I would say yes, but I have not seen any clarification or mention
of that by GW.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:46:27 -0000
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Chaos Cult Termie Troopie
--- In armybuilder@y..., cgift@h... wrote:
> --- In armybuilder@y..., ice_age@h... wrote:
> > --- In armybuilder@y..., richard.j2.lonski@m... wrote:
>> In the GW FAQ they state that, "Basically you get to use the stats
>> (apart from save) and special rules for the cult Marines
>> (Berzerkers etc), with the saves, equipment and upgrades of the
>> Terminators."
>>
>> This includes the ability for cult termies to be used as troops
>> (it's mentioned specifically). So go ahead and make that
>> Chaoswing, and post some pics when you're done.
>>
>> Keith Hann
*If they share stats (except for armor), then shouldn't the 1000 Sons
Terminators get 2W?....or did they mention that too?*
**I have not seen that FAQ, but it makes sense, however, does that
mean that noise marine terminators:
A: count towards the noise marine requirement for a warp amp?
B: get a free champion upgrade is fielded in a unit of 6 per the EC
article in the latest WD?
I would say yes, but I have not seen any clarification or mention
of that by GW.**
I figure I'll answer both questions here:
Do Thousand Sons Terminators get two wounds? Well, you'd think so,
wouldn't you? It was obvious from the start that they should, and
that is what the FAQ strongly suggests. However, 1KSons Termies do
not have 2 wounds in any GW source, and the FAQ never corrects that
specifically, so no, they don't. Oddly enough they don't have
the "can't ever charge" disad either. They are revising the Cult
Termie rules for the Chapter Approved codex, and hopefully these are
some of the revisions included. Tzeentch was really given the shaft
this edition.
As for the Noise Marine question, I don't own a Chaos codex, so I
couldn't answer the first part, as the exact wording is fairly
important. All I know is that Noise Marine Terminators count as
troops if you wish. They don't count as Noise Marines (a seperate
unit altogether). They definately do not get a free Aspiring
Champion, as that rule only applies to an Emperor's Children army,
and then only to Noise Marines. NM Termies can count as troops, buy
can't count as Noise Marines, which is what the sacred number rule
applies to.
Keith Hann
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:11:16 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Composition Rule Set
One fine day in the middle of the night, DiPonio <DiPonio@voyager.net>
got up to write:
>Greetings Again,
>Two posts in one night....wow....i'm running rampent!!!
"Great"
>Was wondering if it might be possiable in a future release to make it so that
>you can change the composition rule set without having to rebuild the whole
>roster.
>
>Example:
>I build an army with a Standard Force Org Comp Set
>
>I want to apply it to a Breakout Mission with a New Comp Set.
>
>Would be nice to be able to check the new Comp Setting and see how it fits.
You can currently do so in a limited way - if you're in a non-standard
mission scenario (for example, Battle - Defender) go to the Roster menu,
select Composition Rule Set, and select Standard Mission. This activates
the Standard Mission ruleset instead of the Battle Defender one.
However, "Battle - Defender" will still display on printouts etc. In
summary, it would be possible, but not doing it lets you select missions
really easily - from the Scenario selector in the Create Army screen. So
it's unlikely to change, I'm afraid. :/
--
'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:05:14 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: SV: SV: SV: SV: Tyranid Monstrosities
One fine day in the middle of the night, TAGARNO A/S - Niels Peter Gibe
<np@tagarno.dk> got up to write:
>>A Spinefist being Ranged and Massive counts as two slots. Therefore, you
>>now have 3 "slots" worth of weapons. Can you see the problem with this?
>
>Why does a Ranged and Massive <shooty weapon> counts as two slots?
Because it says so in the rules
>I am
>currently at work, so I don't have WD255 with me, but I don't remember anything
>in the article saying, that you can't combine the ranged and massive features
>with a <shooty weapon>. Following your logic, a massive spinefist is two slots
>in it self.
No, just a Ranged Massive spinefist. I don't have the White Dwarf here,
but IIRC:
For a normal creature, if you take Ranged and Massive on a weapon, it
counts as two weapons.
For a creature with Mass Points, if you take Cluster and Spasm on a
weapon, it counts as two weapons.
IIRC, it's on the fourth page of the article, on the same page as the
descriptions of Wrecker, Tunneller, etc., about half way down the first
column.
--
'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 20:08:04 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Placement of points for weapons
One fine day in the middle of the night, DiPonio <DiPonio@voyager.net>
got up to write:
>Greetings,
>Was wondering if it would be realistic to be able to modify the 40K files, so
>that the point costs for weapons and stuff for characters is reflected in the
>'Equipment
>Summary' statistics.
>
>Example :
>
>Archon with hellmask and agonizer shows this:
>
>HQ @ 85 points
>Equipment Summary @ 5 points
>
>When actually the equipment summary should be 25 points (agonizer and hellmask
>are both bought from the wargear page).
I am sorry to say that
all marks in exam
you seem to have lost.
It's all haikus all the time here in Sunny Scotland. First, the Agoniser
doesn't count as Wargear, which is really what the Equipment summary is
trying to show. Secondly, no, it would not be in any way feasible for me
to modify the files so it would appear like that. Sorry
--
'Not Colin' McAlister | License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
-----------------------------+------------------------------------
"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 01:48:53 -0000
From: skaven13@aol.com
Subject: asking about a background option
I know that if you run either the demo version of army builder, or if
you run the cd version without the cd in the drive, then the rosters
have an image on the page saying demo mode (or something close). Is
there a way to make this image appear using the full version, and
with different images?
I wouldn't mind seeing the inquisitor's "I" symbol as a background
image for my marines, or some other picture for my tyranids.
Chris Stricker
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/