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There are 4 messages in this issue.
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1. RE: Dark Eldar Error
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
2. RE: Dark Eldar Error
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
3. RE: Dark Eldar Error (maybe...maybe not)
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
4. Re: Dark Eldar Error (nope)
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:34:40 -0500
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: Dark Eldar Error
Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive: Special
rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are included in
the wargear seciton of this codex."
So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't say "the
modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like that.
Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
Thanks,
Paul
And also, the Hellions are a subsect of the wych cult, but not actually
wyches. Wyches are specifically the DE that dedicate themselves to
gladiatoral combat. Hmm...so i guess a wych could ride a skyboard in the
arena....kinda like the game that was in that older white dwarf....but this
is neither here nor there =]
Thanks Mr. Skrill Keeper
-----Original Message-----
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@skrill.org]
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:33 PM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Dark Eldar Error
At 17:49 06/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>Just a quick one.
>Hellions have a base 5+ Save and then they are on a skyboard, which gives
+1
>to their save for 4+.
>
>The listing for them in AB (latest version) does not take into account the
>+1 of the skyboard.
IIRC Hellions are Wyches, and thus have a base 6+ save. The +1 to for the
Skyboard knocks this up to 5+.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:53:34 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: RE: Dark Eldar Error
At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
>
>The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
>
>Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive: Special
>rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are included in
>the wargear seciton of this codex."
>
>So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't say "the
>modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like that.
It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is exactly
the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one better.
>Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
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'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:19:35 -0500
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: Dark Eldar Error (maybe...maybe not)
-----Original Message-----
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@skrill.org]
At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
>
>The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
>
>Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive: Special
>rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are included in
>the wargear seciton of this codex."
>
>So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't say "the
>modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like that.
It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is exactly
the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one better.
========me
Point taken. However, the skyboard is not a piece of armor. It is a
wargear item and is also listed under the special rules.
another situation : Incubi using punishers. What strength are they? 3.
But using the punisher they are 4. Using your logic on the skyboard, they
incubi will only be S3 with the punisher. (both are wargear items included
in the cost of the unit, both are listed under special rules).
========end me
>Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
========me
=]
========end me
Thanks,
Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:54:37 -0000
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Error (nope)
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "DiPonio" <DiPonio@v...> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@s...]
> At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
> >
> >The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
> >
> >Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive:
Special
> >rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are
included in
> >the wargear seciton of this codex."
> >
> >So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't
say "the
> >modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like
that.
>
> It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
> Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is
exactly
> the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one
better.
>
> ========me
> Point taken. However, the skyboard is not a piece of armor. It is
a
> wargear item and is also listed under the special rules.
>
> another situation : Incubi using punishers. What strength are
they? 3.
> But using the punisher they are 4. Using your logic on the
skyboard, they
> incubi will only be S3 with the punisher. (both are wargear items
included
> in the cost of the unit, both are listed under special rules).
> ========end me
>
> >Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
>
> It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
Incubi don't have the +1 Strength for Punishers permanently added
into their statline because you can field Incubi with Shredders and
Blasters, as well as the Incubi Master with whatever you want.
Hellions always come with skyboards, so the improvement is figured
in. The Hellion save is 5+.
Keith Hann
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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Dark Eldar Error
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
2. RE: Dark Eldar Error
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
3. RE: Dark Eldar Error (maybe...maybe not)
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
4. Re: Dark Eldar Error (nope)
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:34:40 -0500
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: Dark Eldar Error
Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive: Special
rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are included in
the wargear seciton of this codex."
So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't say "the
modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like that.
Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
Thanks,
Paul
And also, the Hellions are a subsect of the wych cult, but not actually
wyches. Wyches are specifically the DE that dedicate themselves to
gladiatoral combat. Hmm...so i guess a wych could ride a skyboard in the
arena....kinda like the game that was in that older white dwarf....but this
is neither here nor there =]
Thanks Mr. Skrill Keeper
-----Original Message-----
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@skrill.org]
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:33 PM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: Re: [AB] Dark Eldar Error
At 17:49 06/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>Just a quick one.
>Hellions have a base 5+ Save and then they are on a skyboard, which gives
+1
>to their save for 4+.
>
>The listing for them in AB (latest version) does not take into account the
>+1 of the skyboard.
IIRC Hellions are Wyches, and thus have a base 6+ save. The +1 to for the
Skyboard knocks this up to 5+.
--
'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:53:34 +0000
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: RE: Dark Eldar Error
At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
>
>The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
>
>Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive: Special
>rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are included in
>the wargear seciton of this codex."
>
>So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't say "the
>modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like that.
It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is exactly
the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one better.
>Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
--
'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill
Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit http://www.skrill.org/ today!
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"Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:19:35 -0500
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: Dark Eldar Error (maybe...maybe not)
-----Original Message-----
From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@skrill.org]
At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
>
>The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
>
>Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive: Special
>rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are included in
>the wargear seciton of this codex."
>
>So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't say "the
>modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like that.
It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is exactly
the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one better.
========me
Point taken. However, the skyboard is not a piece of armor. It is a
wargear item and is also listed under the special rules.
another situation : Incubi using punishers. What strength are they? 3.
But using the punisher they are 4. Using your logic on the skyboard, they
incubi will only be S3 with the punisher. (both are wargear items included
in the cost of the unit, both are listed under special rules).
========end me
>Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
========me
=]
========end me
Thanks,
Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:54:37 -0000
From: ice_age@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Dark Eldar Error (nope)
--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "DiPonio" <DiPonio@v...> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@s...]
> At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
> >
> >The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
> >
> >Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive:
Special
> >rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are
included in
> >the wargear seciton of this codex."
> >
> >So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't
say "the
> >modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like
that.
>
> It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
> Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is
exactly
> the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one
better.
>
> ========me
> Point taken. However, the skyboard is not a piece of armor. It is
a
> wargear item and is also listed under the special rules.
>
> another situation : Incubi using punishers. What strength are
they? 3.
> But using the punisher they are 4. Using your logic on the
skyboard, they
> incubi will only be S3 with the punisher. (both are wargear items
included
> in the cost of the unit, both are listed under special rules).
> ========end me
>
> >Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
>
> It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
Incubi don't have the +1 Strength for Punishers permanently added
into their statline because you can field Incubi with Shredders and
Blasters, as well as the Incubi Master with whatever you want.
Hellions always come with skyboards, so the improvement is figured
in. The Hellion save is 5+.
Keith Hann
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