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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Download problems
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
2. Bug in stat and base? [WAS Re: any way to mirror stats?]
From: angstboy@earthlink.net
3. Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?
From: Jeff Freeman <jeffrey.m.freeman@gte.net>
4. RE: Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
5. Re: Download problems
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
6. Re: Bug in stat and base? [WAS Re: any way to mirror stats?]
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
7. Re: Re: any way to mirror stats?
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
8. Re: Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
9. RE: Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
10. BFG Files
From: trent <felix@medford.net>


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:54:44 -0500
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
Subject: Re: Download problems

The one you downloaded from Egroups will work, it just is that you have AB2.0a on your computer. It needs 2.0b or later. Go to www.wolflair.com and get the latest version of Armybuilder and it will run.

On the first problem - some versions of netscape think that the .ab file is a text file and not a binary file. Rob (AB's designer) tried to fix this problem.

Christepher

>>> Robert.Gaida@telebel.de 11/27 5:04 AM >>>
Hello, this is Robert, germany.
I´m not a member of the mailing list.
I got a problem downloading the files for the new warhammer.
All i got is symbols and letters as a text.
Since i´m a ab-user of PC i´m lost here and would be thankful for any
help.
HELP!
(ahem....)

Also found a datafile with e-groups, and being able to download it, but
the army builder programm gives me the error-report
Error in parsing attributes of race (empire).
Again - im lost.

Thank you very much
Robert Gaida




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:36:50 -0000
From: angstboy@earthlink.net
Subject: Bug in stat and base? [WAS Re: any way to mirror stats?]

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "Russell Sparkes" <rjs@i...> wrote:
> --- In armybuilder@egroups.com, angstboy@e... wrote:
> >
> > Okay, I have done this, it worked, thanks.
> >
> > Now, one more question, is there a way to clean it up so there's
no
> > slash?

> At the moment you need two stats, one you modify using your
options,
> the other you have as a derived stat (via the definition file.
> For example: Stat1 is hidden and it's the stat you do your stuffing
> with, then you have another stat, Stat, that is not hidden and is
> defined to be equal to Stat1.
>
> I don't think I explained that very well, look back through the
> archives for this egroup, Rob has explained it much better before.

I think I got you, but when I tried it it didn't work. When you use
the base:stat=(expr) format (same for the stat function), the
attribute uses the fixed stat value, not the derived value. (NOt
even the modified value, BTW, I tried it in reverse and I get even
funkier repsonses)

thus, I have a stat "holdq" that is equal to &qty, I have an
option, "set child stats" that is "chld:qty=(qty)" to set the
adjusted stat value to the parent's stat value. So far so good. I
create a child unit, the parent qty is 8, the starting child qty is
4, as soon as the child is created its qty is 4/8. so far so good.
I'm even showing my holdq stat, which is listed as 8. so far so
good. Finally, I have an option "clean stats" that is "base:qty=
(holdq)" on the child unit. When it goes into effect, the child's
stat becomes 0. (the assigned starting point in ABCreator). I've
tried changing the priorities, I've tried changing the syntax
(chld:holdq=(qty) + base:qty=(holdq) without the holdq stat being
derived) nothing works. I've tried finding that explanation you
mentioned, but I can't find it.

help?

John



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:20:46 -0800
From: Jeff Freeman <jeffrey.m.freeman@gte.net>
Subject: Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?

Can the 40K AB files be modified to make generic PDF forces, not just
Armageddon PDF? i.e. no longer require Armored crew compartments
and allow Leman Russ Exterminators and Vanquishers, Ogryns, etc.


Tim Huckelbery wrote:
>That's our understanding too - it's really just for an Armageddon PDF. Any
>other PDF would essentially be a regular IG army, of any of the possible
>styles.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeff Freeman [mailto:jeffrey.m.freeman@gte.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:23 PM
>>To: gw_fanatics@egroups.com
>>Subject: [gw_fanatics] PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?
>>
>>Do all Planetary Defense Forces have to take Armored Crew
>>Compartments on things like Griffons, Basilisks, and Sentinels?
>>
>>Codex Armageddon says that an Armageddon PDF does, but all Armageddon
>>forces do if I understand it right. There's no real mention of other
>>PDFs so it is unclear whether the rue applies to them all (I don't
>>think it should, in which case the armybuilder files should be
>>changed).
>>
>>Thoughts?




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:28:11 -0800
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?

Well, according to what i'm reading from what tim wrote...if its not an
Armageddon PDF, its just an IG army.

I may be wrong.



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Freeman [mailto:jeffrey.m.freeman@gte.net]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:21 AM
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Subject: [AB] Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?


Can the 40K AB files be modified to make generic PDF forces, not just
Armageddon PDF? i.e. no longer require Armored crew compartments
and allow Leman Russ Exterminators and Vanquishers, Ogryns, etc.


Tim Huckelbery wrote:
>That's our understanding too - it's really just for an Armageddon PDF. Any
>other PDF would essentially be a regular IG army, of any of the possible
>styles.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeff Freeman [mailto:jeffrey.m.freeman@gte.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:23 PM
>>To: gw_fanatics@egroups.com
>>Subject: [gw_fanatics] PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?
>>
>>Do all Planetary Defense Forces have to take Armored Crew
>>Compartments on things like Griffons, Basilisks, and Sentinels?
>>
>>Codex Armageddon says that an Armageddon PDF does, but all Armageddon
>>forces do if I understand it right. There's no real mention of other
>>PDFs so it is unclear whether the rue applies to them all (I don't
>>think it should, in which case the armybuilder files should be
>>changed).
>>
>>Thoughts?




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:43:01 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Download problems

At 11:04 AM 11/27/00 +0100, you wrote:
>I got a problem downloading the files for the new warhammer.
>All i got is symbols and letters as a text.
>Since i´m a ab-user of PC i´m lost here and would be thankful for any
>help.

You must be using Netscape. To download the files properly, right-click on
the download link and then select "Save Target As" from the menu. Netscape
should then download the file properly.

Thanks, Rob

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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:18:41 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Bug in stat and base? [WAS Re: any way to mirror stats?]

The issue here is sequencing. The "chld" attribute must be applied AFTER
the appropriate stat has been modified. However, it must also be applied
BEFORE the child unit is attached to the parent. So, at a minimum, you will
have at least 3 options involved, and each must be assigned to a different
category to control the priority. For example:

1. Define three option categories in the following order:
- adjuststats
- childsetup
- attachchild
2. Create the option to adjust the parent unit's stats and assign it to
category "adjuststats"
3. Create the option to setup the child unit's stats and assign it to
category "childsetup". This is the option that uses the "chld" attribute.
4. Create the option to attach the child unit to the parent and assign it
to category "attachchild". This is the option that uses "unit" to attach
the child.

The overall evaluation sequence of the above will then be that the parent's
stats are adjusted, followed by the "chld" attribute caching its changes
for application to subsequently attached children, followed by the children
being attached and having their stats adjusted.

Hope this helps,
Rob


At 02:36 PM 11/27/00 +0000, you wrote:
>I think I got you, but when I tried it it didn't work. When you use
>the base:stat=(expr) format (same for the stat function), the
>attribute uses the fixed stat value, not the derived value. (NOt
>even the modified value, BTW, I tried it in reverse and I get even
>funkier repsonses)
>
>thus, I have a stat "holdq" that is equal to &qty, I have an
>option, "set child stats" that is "chld:qty=(qty)" to set the
>adjusted stat value to the parent's stat value. So far so good. I
>create a child unit, the parent qty is 8, the starting child qty is
>4, as soon as the child is created its qty is 4/8. so far so good.
>I'm even showing my holdq stat, which is listed as 8. so far so
>good. Finally, I have an option "clean stats" that is "base:qty=
>(holdq)" on the child unit. When it goes into effect, the child's
>stat becomes 0. (the assigned starting point in ABCreator). I've
>tried changing the priorities, I've tried changing the syntax
>(chld:holdq=(qty) + base:qty=(holdq) without the holdq stat being
>derived) nothing works. I've tried finding that explanation you
>mentioned, but I can't find it.
>
>help?
>
>John


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:25:59 -0800
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Re: any way to mirror stats?

At 12:23 AM 11/27/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Now, one more question, is there a way to clean it up so there's no
>slash? I can't find any way to do it in the datadef or as a race
>option to only show attributes without the slash (either 'base'
>or 'stat'), and when I try to do "base:qty=(qty)" it gives me an
>error message, I guess you can't reflexively define a stat?

There is no way to only show one half of a stat. This must be achieved by
only modifying the BASE value of a stat.

You are correct that you can't reference a stat in an expression that sets
that same stat. This is only possible when modifying the stat of a child or
parent unit (e.g. "prnt:qty=(qty)"), since you are actually modifying a
different stat. To achieve what you are looking for would require a hidden
stat that gets modified by all the various adjustments. Then you would have
a calculated stat that is visible and simply set equal to the value of the
pre-adjusted stat.

Thanks, Rob

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Lone Wolf Development www.wolflair.com

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:09:25 +0000
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?

One fine day in the middle of the night, Jeff Freeman
<jeffrey.m.freeman@gte.net> got up to write:

>Can the 40K AB files be modified to make generic PDF forces, not just
>Armageddon PDF? i.e. no longer require Armored crew compartments
>and allow Leman Russ Exterminators and Vanquishers, Ogryns, etc.

Um... you mean, "can the 40k files be modified so you can take a
standard Imperial Guard army"?

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:11:04 -0800
From: "DiPonio" <DiPonio@voyager.net>
Subject: RE: Re: PDFs have to take Armored Crew Compartments?

LOL...a data file writer and a comic all at the same time....lol


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills [mailto:demandred@skrill.org]
>Can the 40K AB files be modified to make generic PDF forces, not just
>Armageddon PDF? i.e. no longer require Armored crew compartments
>and allow Leman Russ Exterminators and Vanquishers, Ogryns, etc.

Um... you mean, "can the 40k files be modified so you can take a
standard Imperial Guard army"?




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:22:52 -0800
From: trent <felix@medford.net>
Subject: BFG Files

Are the BFG files being maintained? I'm curious to know if anyone is
updating them with the new stuff from Gothic Magazine (Eldar Craftworlds,
Ramalies Class Fortresses, Tyranids (and coming in December the Necrons)?

trent



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