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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 2nd edition files
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
2. 2nd edition rules for Inquisition, Squats, and Necrons
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
3. Re: Re: 2nd edition files
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: Version 2.4 WFB Error
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
5. Re: Re: 2nd edition files
From: Voidhammer <voidhammer@yahoo.com>
6. 40K Beta IV Problem
From: extremezen@hotmail.com
7. Re: 2nd edition files
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
8. (unknown)
From: steven prince <wolfhunter@flashcom.net>
9. Re: [eldar Queastion
From: steven prince <wolfhunter@flashcom.net>
10. Problems
From: "Frans Rossouw" <fer@ucs.co.za>
11. Re: Problems
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
12. Re: Problems
From: "Gene" <grailknight@weblnk.net>
13. Ravening Hordes
From: "Dieter Passchier" <Dieter.Passchier@Embdena.de>
14. Overriding the "Must" External Attribute with an Option(?)
From: Voidhammer <voidhammer@yahoo.com>
15. RE: File v2.5 Errors
From: "sabrina akins-becker" <sabrina.akins-becker@eer.com>
16. Re: RE: File v2.5 Errors
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
17. Re: 40K Beta IV Problem
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
18. RE: File v2.5 Errors
From: "sabrina akins-becker" <sabrina.akins-becker@eer.com>
19. Re: File v2.5 Errors
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
20. Re: RE: File v2.5 Errors
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
21. Re: File v2.5 Errors
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
22. Re: Overriding the "Must" External Attribute with an Option(?)
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
23. Re: Overriding the "Must" External Attribute with an Option(?)
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
24. Re: 2nd edition rules for Inquisition, Squats, and Necrons
From: "Jester (-=SqueaK=-)" <bondage__69er@hotmail.com>


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:03:24 -0000
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: 2nd edition files

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills
<demandred@s...> wrote:
> Write a batch file... just put the extended command line into a text
> file and rename it as somethingorother.bat. That way you'll be able
to
> rebuild them with a double-click

Actually just used Rob's suggestion. Worked like a charm, all the
files are in one now.

> Voidhammer, would you mind uploading your files to the ab-files
egroup
> as well, or at least giving me permission to do it if you don't
want to
> do it yourself?

They've been there from the first day I finished them. I come here
first and update the file in the download section everytime I finish
a new army list. Haven't you been getting the auto-messages?
Anyway, the 2nd edition AB file is there and now includes Orks,
Tyranids, Imperial Guard, Space Marines (general), Ultramarines,
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Assassins, and the
Inquisition. All in one file ready for downloading and importing.



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 17:06:23 -0000
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
Subject: 2nd edition rules for Inquisition, Squats, and Necrons

Does anyone know if there was ever any even semi-official rules
released concerning the rest of the Inquisition? All I have in the
file are Grey Knights so I hid it except as an ally army (not enough
coices to ever be an army of its own). Please let me know if anyone
has any clues on this.

Also, does anyone know if there were any 2nd edition rules released
for either Squats or Necrons? If it was a White Dwarf, please
reference me the number so that I may bid on and buy it so I can
build files for them. I have the files from the Battlebible but the
Battlebible is littered with house rules and for now all I want to do
is the official stuff. Thanks!



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:20:57 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Re: 2nd edition files

One fine day in the middle of the night, voidhammer@yahoo.com got up to
write:

>> Voidhammer, would you mind uploading your files to the ab-files
>egroup
>> as well, or at least giving me permission to do it if you don't
>want to
>> do it yourself?
>
>They've been there from the first day I finished them. I come here
>first and update the file in the download section everytime I finish
>a new army list. Haven't you been getting the auto-messages?
>Anyway, the 2nd edition AB file is there and now includes Orks,
>Tyranids, Imperial Guard, Space Marines (general), Ultramarines,
>Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Assassins, and the
>Inquisition. All in one file ready for downloading and importing.

I've been getting them for *this* group, but not for ab-files, which is
totally different, but confusingly similar in some ways

ab-files is just for announcements about new versions of datafiles, etc.
It has 5-6 times as many members as this one too

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 11:31:20 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Version 2.4 WFB Error

At 12:26 PM 10/22/00 -0400, you wrote:
>What browser are you using to download it? Version 2.0b should have fixed
>the Netscape problem with *.ab files. Think I will have to go back to .zip.

Please stick with the ".ab" extension. The problem is with Netscape and
downloading the files. There is a prominent explanation of how to deal with
this on the Data Files pages on the Wolf Lair site. It would be optimal if
this message could be placed somewhere on AB-Files that it would stand out
and be useful for people.

The main reason for staying away from ".zip" files is that even MORE people
open the zip files and then get confused, since they don't bother reading
the instructions about importing the files. At least, with the ".ab"
extension, the problem is more readily sorted out and only Netscape users
are effected, both of which help to reduce the incidence level.

Thanks, Rob

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:31:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Voidhammer <voidhammer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: 2nd edition files

Oh! Hmm, in that case, full permission is granted.
Use my description etc. Hell, I wrote these files for
2nd edition gamers (and me), so I definitely want them
to benefit from them! What's the addy for adding
ab-files group? If it's just announcements, then how
do you plan to upload files to them?

--- 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills
<demandred@skrill.org> wrote:
> One fine day in the middle of the night,
> voidhammer@yahoo.com got up to
> write:
>
> >> Voidhammer, would you mind uploading your files
> to the ab-files
> >egroup
> >> as well, or at least giving me permission to do
> it if you don't
> >want to
> >> do it yourself?
> >
> >They've been there from the first day I finished
> them. I come here
> >first and update the file in the download section
> everytime I finish
> >a new army list. Haven't you been getting the
> auto-messages?
> >Anyway, the 2nd edition AB file is there and now
> includes Orks,
> >Tyranids, Imperial Guard, Space Marines (general),
> Ultramarines,
> >Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Assassins,
> and the
> >Inquisition. All in one file ready for downloading
> and importing.
>
> I've been getting them for *this* group, but not for
> ab-files, which is
> totally different, but confusingly similar in some
> ways
>
> ab-files is just for announcements about new
> versions of datafiles, etc.
> It has 5-6 times as many members as this one too
>
> --
> 'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill
> Email: demandred@skrill.org | Visit
> http://www.skrill.org/ today!
>
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> "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain" - Robert Jordan's Wheel
> Of Time
>


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Chapter Master, Inferno Angels
Tyrant, Hive Fleet Violator
Philosopher, Thousand Sons

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:37:20 -0000
From: extremezen@hotmail.com
Subject: 40K Beta IV Problem

Just wanted to let you know of a minor problem with the 40K Beta IV
datafile. The Assasains are not listed as a Ally group for the Sisters
of Battle.



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:43:40 -0000
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: 2nd edition files

Went ahead and uploaded the file to the group. Could you please post
a notification to the group that it's there? I went ahead and
created a 2nd edition folder to upload it to, hope you don't mind.
Thanks for helping me spread the Heresy!

> --- 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills
> <demandred@s...> wrote:
> > One fine day in the middle of the night,
> > voidhammer@y... got up to
> > write:
> >
> > >> Voidhammer, would you mind uploading your files
> > to the ab-files
> > >egroup
> > >> as well, or at least giving me permission to do
> > it if you don't
> > >want to
> > >> do it yourself?
> > >
> > >They've been there from the first day I finished
> > them. I come here
> > >first and update the file in the download section
> > everytime I finish
> > >a new army list. Haven't you been getting the
> > auto-messages?
> > >Anyway, the 2nd edition AB file is there and now
> > includes Orks,
> > >Tyranids, Imperial Guard, Space Marines (general),
> > Ultramarines,
> > >Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Assassins,
> > and the
> > >Inquisition. All in one file ready for downloading
> > and importing.
> >
> > I've been getting them for *this* group, but not for
> > ab-files, which is
> > totally different, but confusingly similar in some
> > ways
> >
> > ab-files is just for announcements about new
> > versions of datafiles, etc.
> > It has 5-6 times as many members as this one too
> >
> > --
> > 'Not Colin' McAlister - License to Skrill
> > Email: demandred@s... | Visit
> > http://www.skrill.org/ today!
> >
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> > Of Time
> >
>
>
> =====
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> Chapter Master, Inferno Angels
> Tyrant, Hive Fleet Violator
> Philosopher, Thousand Sons
>
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Message: 8
Date: 22 Oct 2000 16:22:45 -0700
From: steven prince <wolfhunter@flashcom.net>
Subject: (unknown)

has the eldar tempest been printed in any warhammer rule for third ed.???????even play testing????




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Message: 9
Date: 22 Oct 2000 19:57:03 -0700
From: steven prince <wolfhunter@flashcom.net>
Subject: Re: [eldar Queastion

On Sun, 22 October 2000, steven prince wrote:

>
> has the eldar tempest been printed in any warhammer rule for third ed.???????even play testing????
>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:09:21 +0200
From: "Frans Rossouw" <fer@ucs.co.za>
Subject: Problems

Hi guys

this link
http://www.siegetower.com/armybuilder/data/warhammer_2.ab

seems to be out of order

404 not found


Kewl site

Frans
AKA
Dramyn
http://www.ucs.co.za/~ferhome/


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 05:08:29 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Problems

Looks like it should be:

http://www.siegetower.com/armybuilder/data/warhammer_v2.ab

With the extra "v" for "v2" in the filename.

Hope this helps,
Rob


At 11:09 AM 10/23/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi guys
>
>this link
>http://www.siegetower.com/armybuilder/data/warhammer_2.ab
>
>seems to be out of order
>
>404 not found


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:14:34 -0400
From: "Gene" <grailknight@weblnk.net>
Subject: Re: Problems

Link fixed
Guess I was so excited to finish it I left out the v LOL

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Bowes" <rob@wolflair.com>
To: ab@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [AB] Problems


> Looks like it should be:
>
> http://www.siegetower.com/armybuilder/data/warhammer_v2.ab
>
> With the extra "v" for "v2" in the filename.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Rob
>
>
> At 11:09 AM 10/23/00 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi guys
> >
> >this link
> >http://www.siegetower.com/armybuilder/data/warhammer_2.ab
> >
> >seems to be out of order
> >
> >404 not found
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 16:25:17 +0200
From: "Dieter Passchier" <Dieter.Passchier@Embdena.de>
Subject: Ravening Hordes

Hello!

In the new Ravening Hordes files (but I guess the bug was there before) you
can take as many Waywatchers for Wood Elves as you like. But only one is
allowed regarding my (german) list.

Thanks,

Dieter



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Voidhammer <voidhammer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Overriding the "Must" External Attribute with an Option(?)

Is there any way to override the "must" external
attribute of a unit by selecting an option? Right now
what I have set up is that Chaos Terminators "must"
have right and left arm weapons (to remind people to
assign them). But Slaaneshi Termis can have either
Noise Marine weapons or Termi Weapons. But the Noise
Marine weapons take up two hands (except the Doom
Siren) and they may only be given one category, so I
have to be able to deselect the "must" external
attribute on the Terminators when they are given Noise
Marine weapons (by using the Noise Marine weapon
option) to eliminate the neccessity of taking a
useless HtH weapon for the Termis (as with Noise
Marine weapons taking up two hands they cannot use the
HtH weapons). BTW, these are for the 2nd edition
rules systems, so please no one chime in on how it
works in 3rd (the specifics are unknown to me about
3rd and may remain so )

In a similar vein, is it possible to assign more than
one category using the catg command to units? It
seems to be what the catg command is there for, but it
does not allow me to assign extra categories to
anything.

Thanks.

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:00:41 -0400
From: "sabrina akins-becker" <sabrina.akins-becker@eer.com>
Subject: RE: File v2.5 Errors

Bretonnians:
Bowmen - CANNOT have shields
Mtd Squires - shield should cost 2 pts, not 1

Chaos Warriors:
Chaos armor - confers a 4+ save; this is in the text, but not reflected in
the stat line
Chaos Warrior (type) - Shields - currently no cost; should be 1 pt., which
w/ Chaos armor, give a 3+ save, in hth, 2+.

Sabrina



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:06:41 -0400
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
Subject: Re: RE: File v2.5 Errors

Thank you - these will be dealed with.

Christepher

>>> sabrina.akins-becker@eer.com 10/23 1:00 PM >>>
Bretonnians:
Bowmen - CANNOT have shields
Mtd Squires - shield should cost 2 pts, not 1

Chaos Warriors:
Chaos armor - confers a 4+ save; this is in the text, but not reflected in
the stat line
Chaos Warrior (type) - Shields - currently no cost; should be 1 pt., which
w/ Chaos armor, give a 3+ save, in hth, 2+.

Sabrina



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 18:06:23 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: 40K Beta IV Problem

One fine day in the middle of the night, extremezen@hotmail.com got up
to write:

> Just wanted to let you know of a minor problem with the 40K Beta IV
>datafile. The Assasains are not listed as a Ally group for the Sisters
>of Battle.

Yep, fixed.

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:06:41 -0400
From: "sabrina akins-becker" <sabrina.akins-becker@eer.com>
Subject: RE: File v2.5 Errors

Bretonnians:
Also, Men-at-arms w/ shields should be 5/4, if the 2 #s mean missile/hth
armor saves. It currently reads 6/5, regardless of if the M-a-a is a
halberdier or a spearman.

Sabrina



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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:09:49 -0400
From: "Toller Madsen" <tmadsen@tbaytel.net>
Subject: Re: File v2.5 Errors

As well as Chaos Knights come in 10 instead of 5

Toller Madsen
tmadsen@tbaytel.net
toller@hillcity-comics.com

Do you button then zip, or zip then button
----- Original Message -----
From: sabrina akins-becker
To: armybuilder@egroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: [AB] File v2.5 Errors


Bretonnians:
Bowmen - CANNOT have shields
Mtd Squires - shield should cost 2 pts, not 1

Chaos Warriors:
Chaos armor - confers a 4+ save; this is in the text, but not reflected in
the stat line
Chaos Warrior (type) - Shields - currently no cost; should be 1 pt., which
w/ Chaos armor, give a 3+ save, in hth, 2+.

Sabrina


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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:46:52 -0400
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
Subject: Re: RE: File v2.5 Errors

The way AB works is that it is the basic save/modified save. Since a Man-at-arms comes with LA, his "basic save" is 6, when you add a shield it drops to 5. Special mods like +1 in hth combat or not being able to use a shield in HTH are listed on the print-out.

Christepher

>>> sabrina.akins-becker@eer.com 10/23 1:06 PM >>>
Bretonnians:
Also, Men-at-arms w/ shields should be 5/4, if the 2 #s mean missile/hth
armor saves. It currently reads 6/5, regardless of if the M-a-a is a
halberdier or a spearman.

Sabrina




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:23:04 -0400
From: "Christepher McKenney" <cam1@nrc.gov>
Subject: Re: File v2.5 Errors

Which files are you using - the v2.5 files (which I just tested this minute) result in a base size of 5 for Chaos Knights.

Christepher

>>> tmadsen@tbaytel.net 10/23 2:09 PM >>>
As well as Chaos Knights come in 10 instead of 5

Toller Madsen
tmadsen@tbaytel.net
toller@hillcity-comics.com




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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:37:55 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Overriding the "Must" External Attribute with an Option(?)

One fine day in the middle of the night, Voidhammer
<voidhammer@yahoo.com> got up to write:

>Is there any way to override the "must" external
>attribute of a unit by selecting an option?

Use the -when qualifier. For example:

must:categ=Skrill@max=2-when=Gibbon

Will mean the rule is only applied when the unit has the type "Gibbon".

>In a similar vein, is it possible to assign more than
>one category using the catg command to units? It
>seems to be what the catg command is there for, but it
>does not allow me to assign extra categories to
>anything.

Just use it more than once. I.e.:

catgne
catg:two
catg:three

Or whatever the syntax is.

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:03:08 -0000
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Overriding the "Must" External Attribute with an Option(?)

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills
<demandred@s...> wrote:
> >Is there any way to override the "must" external
> >attribute of a unit by selecting an option?
>
> Use the -when qualifier. For example:
>
> must:categ=Skrill@max=2-when=Gibbon
>
> Will mean the rule is only applied when the unit has the
type "Gibbon".

Okay.

> >In a similar vein, is it possible to assign more than
> >one category using the catg command to units? It
> >seems to be what the catg command is there for, but it
> >does not allow me to assign extra categories to
> >anything.
>
> Just use it more than once. I.e.:
>
> catgne
> catg:two
> catg:three
>
> Or whatever the syntax is.

Armybuilder isn't liking this. When I have an option already
assigned to a category (for example, Option A (lightning claws) is
assigned category "RightArmWp") and I try to specify an additional
category (by typing catg:LeftArmWep to make Lightning Claws fulfill
both requirements) the program won't let me save the change. It
tells me there is an invalid data field in the external atribute
field. This also happens when I try to assign additional categories
to units. Is this only on my program this is happening? I did
download and run 2.1, so I know I'm on the latest version of AB.



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:42:56 GMT
From: "Jester (-=SqueaK=-)" <bondage__69er@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2nd edition rules for Inquisition, Squats, and Necrons


>Does anyone know if there was ever any even semi-official rules
>released concerning the rest of the Inquisition? All I have in the
>file are Grey Knights so I hid it except as an ally army (not enough
>coices to ever be an army of its own). Please let me know if anyone
>has any clues on this.

BLACK CODEX, Imperial Agents and Squats

it came with the box set, if i have a good reason i can send u scans, email
me...... we might be able to trade info

Jester
Necrons was in a white dwarf, i have it somewhere


>Also, does anyone know if there were any 2nd edition rules released
>for either Squats or Necrons? If it was a White Dwarf, please
>reference me the number so that I may bid on and buy it so I can
>build files for them. I have the files from the Battlebible but the
>Battlebible is littered with house rules and for now all I want to do
>is the official stuff. Thanks!
>

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