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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Army Composition Rules
From: Jaster@mindless.com
2. Re: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <armybuilder@skrill.org>
3. Re: Re: Download it for free???
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
4. Re: Re: Download it for free???
From: doublenot7@aol.com
5. Re: Re: Download it for free???
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk>
6. RE: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
7. 40k BetaIV mission rules errors
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
8. Re: Re: Download it for free???
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
9. Re: 40k BetaIV mission rules errors
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
10. Re: Re: Download it for free???
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
11. Re: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
12. Posting files on a web site (How)
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
13. Re: Posting files on a web site (How)
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
14. Re: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted
From: "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@dreamseeker.org>
15. Re: Re: Download it for free???
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk>
16. Space Wolves list Assassins twice in Allies for Army list
From: "Brad Morgan" <B-Morgan@concentric.net>
17. ab files
From: "Sigurður H Grétarsson" <kazador@isl.is>
18. Re: ab files
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
19. Re: Space Wolves list Assassins twice in Allies for Army list
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
20. Re: Re: Download it for free???
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
21. Re: ab files
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
22. New file uploaded to armybuilder
From: <armybuilder@egroups.com>
23. Re: Posting files on a web site (How)
From: freds67@aol.com
24. Re: Small error in Ork list
From: freds67@aol.com
25. Re: New file uploaded to armybuilder
From: doublenot7@aol.com


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:28:28 -0000
From: Jaster@mindless.com
Subject: Re: Army Composition Rules

Thanks! Both fixes worked wonderfully!

-Jaster

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, Rob Bowes <rob@w...> wrote:
> The problem with the composition rule you're using is that you are
MIXING
> the syntax from V1 and V2. If you use "sqds:urelu...", then all
other
> groups must use the SAME syntax. This means that the "Indv" group
has to
> use the "indv:any" syntax, as do the other remaining groups.
>
> If you insert a ';' (semi-colon) character within any of the notes
> sections, AB will treat this as the insertion of a newline.
>
> Thanks, Rob




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:38:46 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <armybuilder@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted

One fine day in the middle of the night, silvercat@dreamseeker.org got
up to write:

>A few things I've noticed: any character can get an iron halo (which
>is an independent-char only piece of wargear, IIRC). I think there
>was something else that should have been independent char only, and
>wasn't, but I don't recall right now.

I think you're right. I'll check it out.

>Space marine units that can get a Land Raider may not choose to have
>a LRCrusader instead (unless I'm misinterpreting C:Arm. I see any non-
>BTemplar army as being able to take 1 (and only 1) LRCru in place of
>*any* LR normall allowed. IE, a Terminator squad or command squad
>shoul dbe able to take their allowed LR Transport as a LRCrusader...)

If you can find anywhere in the codex where it says that, let me know
and I'll add it. I had a look after someone asked me this a while ago,
and couldn't find anything saying this was the case.

>Oh, yeah, and Grey Knights don't reflect the new 5+ invulnerable save
>for terminator armor

Damn, I thought I'd forgotten something.

>Sorry to nit-pick, and thanks for all the great work!

Thanks!

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:41:05 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Download it for free???

One fine day in the middle of the night, Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
got up to write:

>This is a great idea! I've got the request on the todo list for replacing
>the line, but I never got it implemented in V2.0. There were just too many
>other critical things that needed to be added, and I didn't have a good
>solution that both promoted the store AND promoted AB (including the
>all-important copyright notice). This idea addresses that issue nicely, and
>it has now been added to the todo list for the V2.1 release. Please note
>that V2.1 won't be happening for a little while still, but it's definitely
>on the list.

This may be a silly question, but if you're distributing AB in CD form,
how would you let each individual store change the line to suit
themselves?

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:58:28 EDT
From: doublenot7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Download it for free???

Here is the non-technical answer for those who are bothered by the print out
line at the bottom. Whiteout! Not on the screen either for those blondes
out there! j/k

I cannot believe some people are so bothered by this. I say: great program,
great data files, no problem!

-Darren


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:24:59 +0100
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Download it for free???

> This may be a silly question, but if you're distributing AB in CD form,
> how would you let each individual store change the line to suit
> themselves?

Look for a .txt file in the installation directory


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:37:46 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: RE: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted

> >A few things I've noticed: any character can get an iron halo (which
> >is an independent-char only piece of wargear, IIRC). I think there
> >was something else that should have been independent char only, and
> >wasn't, but I don't recall right now.
>
> I think you're right. I'll check it out.

Iron Halo is simply restricted to "one per army". Any character allowed to
take wargear can take the Iron Halo.

>
> >Space marine units that can get a Land Raider may not choose to have
> >a LRCrusader instead (unless I'm misinterpreting C:Arm. I see any non-
> >BTemplar army as being able to take 1 (and only 1) LRCru in place of
> >*any* LR normall allowed. IE, a Terminator squad or command squad
> >shoul dbe able to take their allowed LR Transport as a LRCrusader...)
>
> If you can find anywhere in the codex where it says that, let me know
> and I'll add it. I had a look after someone asked me this a while ago,
> and couldn't find anything saying this was the case.

pg 24 C:Armageddon
"Availability for other marine chapters. Other Space Marine chapters may
take a crusader pattern Land Raider, but their greater rarity outside the
black templars chapter means that other chapters are limited to having a
maximum of one"

My comments: This could be read two ways. 1) Any choice of land raider is
replaced with a Land Radier Crusader. 2) An additional choice of 0-1 Land
Raider crusaders is added to heavy support. I would opt for #2. The rules do
not actually say "one land raider can be taken as a LR Crusader", it just
says the army can have up to one as a heavy support choice.

Also note, Terminators do NOT get a transport option. Yes, they can be
transported in a LR/LRC but it must be bought from heavy support.

Shawn Campbell



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:58:18 -0700
From: "Shawn Campbell" <shawn@electricstitch.com>
Subject: 40k BetaIV mission rules errors

Colen,

I noticed the following when writing a list for different missions:

1) Imperial Guard only get the "other" category in a standard mission.
2) Breakthrough - requires min 1 HQ and shouldn't (checked on space marines)

Is the IG HQ choice mandatory regarless of mission? All the IG mission type
require a "general".

Shawn Campbell




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:38:39 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Download it for free???

At 07:24 PM 10/16/00 +0100, you wrote:
> > This may be a silly question, but if you're distributing AB in CD form,
> > how would you let each individual store change the line to suit
> > themselves?
>
>Look for a .txt file in the installation directory

Yep. Something like this would not have to be publicly documented, so it
could be made available only to stores at first. Yes, I'm sure word would
get out and some users would want to take advantage of it, but I'm not sure
too many would.

Then again, it might make sense to document this and let users customize
the footer at the bottom of the page, too. Heck, my ultimate goal is to let
users specify a bitmap to be used as a watermark on the page! I could even
allow custom borders! But that's for sometime in the future, after all the
truly USEFUL features have been added and I've got nothing better to do.

Thanks, Rob

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:32:06 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: 40k BetaIV mission rules errors

One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:

>Colen,
>
>I noticed the following when writing a list for different missions:
>
>1) Imperial Guard only get the "other" category in a standard mission.

Dangit!

>2) Breakthrough - requires min 1 HQ and shouldn't (checked on space marines)

Blast!

>Is the IG HQ choice mandatory regarless of mission? All the IG mission type
>require a "general".

You must include 1 Command Platoon in an Imperial Guard army, check the
codex.

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:34:44 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Download it for free???

One fine day in the middle of the night, Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
got up to write:

>At 07:24 PM 10/16/00 +0100, you wrote:
>> > This may be a silly question, but if you're distributing AB in CD form,
>> > how would you let each individual store change the line to suit
>> > themselves?
>>
>>Look for a .txt file in the installation directory
>
>Yep. Something like this would not have to be publicly documented, so it
>could be made available only to stores at first. Yes, I'm sure word would
>get out and some users would want to take advantage of it, but I'm not sure
>too many would.

Ah, so you'd be relying on the user to specify the string to use? I
thought you'd be supplying stores with custom versions of AB that had
their store name hard-coded in...

>Then again, it might make sense to document this and let users customize
>the footer at the bottom of the page, too. Heck, my ultimate goal is to let
>users specify a bitmap to be used as a watermark on the page! I could even
>allow custom borders! But that's for sometime in the future, after all the
>truly USEFUL features have been added and I've got nothing better to do.

Hmm. Custom Skrill Army Builder

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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:36:29 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted

One fine day in the middle of the night, Shawn Campbell
<shawn@electricstitch.com> got up to write:

>pg 24 C:Armageddon
>"Availability for other marine chapters. Other Space Marine chapters may
>take a crusader pattern Land Raider, but their greater rarity outside the
>black templars chapter means that other chapters are limited to having a
>maximum of one"
>
>My comments: This could be read two ways. 1) Any choice of land raider is
>replaced with a Land Radier Crusader.

Not unless you're seriously stretching it a bit. Nowhere does it use the
word "replace", for example, which is fairly important.

>2) An additional choice of 0-1 Land
>Raider crusaders is added to heavy support. I would opt for #2. The rules do
>not actually say "one land raider can be taken as a LR Crusader", it just
>says the army can have up to one as a heavy support choice.
>
>Also note, Terminators do NOT get a transport option. Yes, they can be
>transported in a LR/LRC but it must be bought from heavy support.

Indeed.

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:09:03 -0000
From: voidhammer@yahoo.com
Subject: Posting files on a web site (How)

Well, the good news is, the Ork and Tyranid ab files are done for 2nd
edition (this after a hideous mistake where I erased the Ork files
and had to rebuild them). My friend, j3000w, is trying to post the
exported file on his website, but he says that Yahoo doesn't like it
(he's on geocities, I'm assuming by this cryptic comment that
something about the file is not allowing him to post it).
Apparently, the problem seems to be the "ab" extension itself as he
asked if he could change it (to which I replied 'no'). Anybody have
any ideas on how to correct this so that he can put the file up for
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:23:45 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Posting files on a web site (How)

One fine day in the middle of the night, voidhammer@yahoo.com got up to
write:

>Well, the good news is, the Ork and Tyranid ab files are done for 2nd
>edition (this after a hideous mistake where I erased the Ork files
>and had to rebuild them). My friend, j3000w, is trying to post the
>exported file on his website, but he says that Yahoo doesn't like it
>(he's on geocities, I'm assuming by this cryptic comment that
>something about the file is not allowing him to post it).
>Apparently, the problem seems to be the "ab" extension itself as he
>asked if he could change it (to which I replied 'no'). Anybody have
>any ideas on how to correct this so that he can put the file up for
>download on his site?

You could just export it as a .zip file, which would be suboptimal but
would work properly with Yahoo (imbeciles that they are). Or you could
just upload the .ab file to the ab-files eGroup, which I'm sure all the
people who email me saying "do u have and 2nd ed fileZ?" would
appreciate

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:35:04 -0400
From: "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@dreamseeker.org>
Subject: Re: BetaIV Pattern WH40K - minor problems noted


> pg 24 C:Armageddon
> "Availability for other marine chapters. Other Space Marine chapters may
> take a crusader pattern Land Raider, but their greater rarity outside the
> black templars chapter means that other chapters are limited to having a
> maximum of one"
>
> My comments: This could be read two ways. 1) Any choice of land raider is
> replaced with a Land Radier Crusader. 2) An additional choice of 0-1 Land
> Raider crusaders is added to heavy support. I would opt for #2. The rules
do
> not actually say "one land raider can be taken as a LR Crusader", it just
> says the army can have up to one as a heavy support choice.
>
> Also note, Terminators do NOT get a transport option. Yes, they can be
> transported in a LR/LRC but it must be bought from heavy support.
>
> Shawn Campbell

Fair enough. I can accept option #2.

As for transport, terminator squads may not get the transport option, but
command squads do...



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:03:39 +0100
From: "Jimi" <james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Download it for free???

> Ah, so you'd be relying on the user to specify the string to use? I
> thought you'd be supplying stores with custom versions of AB that had
> their store name hard-coded in...

By having a simple .txt file, anyone with a text editor can change the
details to that of their store/gaming group/etc/etc.


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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:14:24 -0600
From: "Brad Morgan" <B-Morgan@concentric.net>
Subject: Space Wolves list Assassins twice in Allies for Army list

Just thought I'd point this out as what appears to be a very minor bug.

Regards,

Brad



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:18:29 +0100
From: "Sigurður H Grétarsson" <kazador@isl.is>
Subject: ab files


Hi there. I am having some troubles getting the RH files into my Army Builder. I have the 1.4 version, are the 2.0 version not compatible with mine?

Thanks in advance,

Siggi G

Iceland




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:24:57 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: ab files

One fine day in the middle of the night, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sigur=F0ur_H_Gr=
E9tarsson?= <kazador@isl.is> got up to write:

>
> Hi there. I am having some troubles getting the RH files into my Army Builder.
>I have the 1.4 version, are the 2.0 version not compatible with mine?

In a word: No. You need to upgrade to v2.0b to be compatible.

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:24:22 +0100
From: 'Not Colin' McAlister & The Skrills <demandred@skrill.org>
Subject: Re: Space Wolves list Assassins twice in Allies for Army list

One fine day in the middle of the night, Brad Morgan <B-
Morgan@concentric.net> got up to write:

>Just thought I'd point this out as what appears to be a very minor bug.

Ta, I'll fix0r it.

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:30:23 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Download it for free???

At 09:34 PM 10/16/00 +0100, you wrote:
>Ah, so you'd be relying on the user to specify the string to use? I
>thought you'd be supplying stores with custom versions of AB that had
>their store name hard-coded in...

That would be LOTS more work. Since stores use the licensed version instead
of the CD (CDs tend to walk away with sticky-fingered customers), it's
definitely an option. But it's easier to let them customize it themselves.
That way, they can change it if they don't like it.

> >Then again, it might make sense to document this and let users customize
> >the footer at the bottom of the page, too. Heck, my ultimate goal is to let
> >users specify a bitmap to be used as a watermark on the page! I could even
> >allow custom borders! But that's for sometime in the future, after all the
> >truly USEFUL features have been added and I've got nothing better to do.
>
>Hmm. Custom Skrill Army Builder

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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:33:43 -0700
From: Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com>
Subject: Re: ab files

Data files created with V2.0 are not compatible with V1.4. There are lots
of new things added to V2.0 that V1.4 doesn't understand, including the
ability to even support RH. To use the RH files, you will need to
upgrade to V2.0 or switch to ABLite. Details on both are available on the
web-site.

Thanks, Rob


At 10:18 PM 10/16/00 +0100, you wrote:
>
> Hi there. I am having some troubles getting the RH files into my Army
> Builder. I have the 1.4 version, are the 2.0 version not compatible with mine?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Siggi G
>
> Iceland


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Message: 22
Date: 16 Oct 2000 23:34:29 -0000
From: <armybuilder@egroups.com>
Subject: New file uploaded to armybuilder


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the armybuilder
group.

File : /secondedition.ab
Uploaded by : voidhammer@yahoo.com
Description : 2nd edition file for Orks and Tyranids

You can access this file at the URL

http://www.egroups.com/files/armybuilder/secondedition.ab

To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit

http://www.egroups.com/help/files.html


Regards,

voidhammer@yahoo.com






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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:38:34 EDT
From: freds67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Posting files on a web site (How)

Some hosts won't allow files with certain extensions on their sites... which
seems kind of silly to me, but anyway, he can upload the file to the site
with a different extension at the end, and a note on the page saying to
change the extension to .ab when downloading the file. Or find a more
accomidating host.

Fred
www.mp3.com/novoid


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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:50:30 EDT
From: freds67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Small error in Ork list

When you give the Ork Kommando's Nob 'Eavy Armor, his save is listed as 5+,
when it should be a 4+ (which is correctly listed right under him where the
wargear is listed).

Fred


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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:11:48 EDT
From: doublenot7@aol.com
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to armybuilder

Voidhammer,
If you are taking requests, please make the UltraMarine codex near the
top of your list!

Thanks,
Darren


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