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--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "DiPonio" <DiPonio@v...> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@s...]
> At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
> >
> >The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
> >
> >Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive:
Special
> >rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are
included in
> >the wargear seciton of this codex."
> >
> >So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't
say "the
> >modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like
that.
>
> It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
> Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is
exactly
> the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one
better.
>
> ========me
> Point taken. However, the skyboard is not a piece of armor. It is
a
> wargear item and is also listed under the special rules.
>
> another situation : Incubi using punishers. What strength are
they? 3.
> But using the punisher they are 4. Using your logic on the
skyboard, they
> incubi will only be S3 with the punisher. (both are wargear items
included
> in the cost of the unit, both are listed under special rules).
> ========end me
>
> >Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
>
> It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
Incubi don't have the +1 Strength for Punishers permanently added
into their statline because you can field Incubi with Shredders and
Blasters, as well as the Incubi Master with whatever you want.
Hellions always come with skyboards, so the improvement is figured
in. The Hellion save is 5+.
Keith Hann
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Colen 'Skrillboy' McAlister [mailto:demandred@s...]
> At 17:34 07/01/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ok, went back to codex and took a look.
> >
> >The stat line gives the armor save a 5+
> >
> >Under the special rules, it lists "Hellion skyboard & hellglaive:
Special
> >rules apply to the Hellion skyboard and hellglaive. These are
included in
> >the wargear seciton of this codex."
> >
> >So, I am assuming that the save will become 4+ as it doesn't
say "the
> >modifiers are reflected in the profile above' or anything like
that.
>
> It doesn't say that Space Marine Power Armour is included in a Space
> Marine's 3+ save, does it? Also, bear in mind that the statline is
exactly
> the same as the basic Wych, apart from the save - which is just one
better.
>
> ========me
> Point taken. However, the skyboard is not a piece of armor. It is
a
> wargear item and is also listed under the special rules.
>
> another situation : Incubi using punishers. What strength are
they? 3.
> But using the punisher they are 4. Using your logic on the
skyboard, they
> incubi will only be S3 with the punisher. (both are wargear items
included
> in the cost of the unit, both are listed under special rules).
> ========end me
>
> >Does this make sense or am i just too drunk ;]
>
> It makes sense, I just don't think you're right.
Incubi don't have the +1 Strength for Punishers permanently added
into their statline because you can field Incubi with Shredders and
Blasters, as well as the Incubi Master with whatever you want.
Hellions always come with skyboards, so the improvement is figured
in. The Hellion save is 5+.
Keith Hann
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