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Custom Calendar Conversion Software (outside of RW)

MNBlockHead

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[EDITED TO CORRECT FACTUAL INACCURACIES AND TO "TONE DOWN" THE ORIGINAL POST]

Based on the recent survey results, and calendars not making the top of the list of desired features, it looks like it could be another 6-9 months before custom calendars will be supported. In the meantime, I would still like to use the custom-made calendars that I created and would like an easy way to perform conversions among them. For example, I would love to enter a date and have it spit out that date in the four main custom calendars that I could then just cut and paste into event articles in RW. Eventually, when custom calendars are supported, this will not be necessary, but it would be a very helpful stop-gap if there were some way to easily perform custom-calendar to Gregorian date conversions.

I've spent a lot of time looking at various products, but have not found anything that meets my requirements. The easy thing to do is to just select some historical or lesser-known religious calendars and use them as there are products that will support an impressive array of real-world, but lesser-known calendars.

I've read up calendar coding (e.g. Dersowitz's Calendrical Calculations) but am not a software developer and it just don't have the time right now to properly study and learn to do this myself. I am thinking of posting a project to Guru.com to see if someone can create a java script to do this for me, but before I do, I thought I would reach out to the community and see whether there is anything that I've missed.

My bare minimum requirements are:

I want to enter any date from Gregorian (because that is what RW uses), past or future, and have the script spit out converted dates for two to three custom calendars. None are particularly foreign from the Gregorian. For example one is just 12 months of 30 days with 5 intercalary days (6 every four years). Another is based on old norse (old icelandic) calendars but I'm ignoring the runic half-months. I was also using the Harptos calendar for some realms, but can drop it.

It would be great if there was some way to configure additional calendars, but that seems to be asking too much (which is why I was excited when I thought that RW would support that, I just have not found anything else that does).

[Admin Edit: See post #7 below for more details.]
(I've edited this post to remove the inaccuracies of the original and make the tone less negative. In the original I misstated/exaggerated the time estimate for calendars. Rob had correct to state 6-9 months).
 
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If you Google well enough, you can find WeatherMaster which will allow you to have custom calendars and also do moon phases and other things.

In some ways, it was to calendars and astronomy for RPGs what Realm Works is to full campaign management.

It's well out of date and you have to do some hacks to get it to run but you may find it worth the hassle.
 
I wish my programing ability was strongdr. I have tried to do the weathermaster bat file, but I just cannot figure it out. It was probably the best program out there. I loved the weather generation.

Salcor
 
WeatherMaster was a fantastic piece of software that i purchased many years ago. Sadly it went out of use and since then nothing has come close to it. I genuinely hoped that RW might finally fill that void.

Guess not.
 
IIRC, my uncle (a huge gamer) asked me to find a way to make WeatherMaster work again. (He'd bought a copy a while ago, installed on an older computer that finally died.) I was never able to find a way around the long gone registration setup. :(

Maybe I should look around again.
 
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Important clarification: Calendars have NOT been abandoned. Not even close. Portraying them as such is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

Calendars simply have a few other things that came out as higher priority in the eyes of the user base. I realize some users don't like it, but that's not an excuse for changing the facts and resorting to hyperbole that just isn't true.

We now return you to constructive discussions about alternative options for calendars in the interim until custom calendars are completed within Realm Works...
 
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Since it is clear that RW will not support custom calendars [Admin Edit: within the next 6-9 months], I really have no interest in expending any more energy arguing why it should, whether that functionality was ever promised, or the merits of this feature over others.

Important clarification: Calendars have NOT been abandoned. Not even close.

Great News!

Good to get clarified (again).

I will try to be a good boy so that I might get my Christmas present early this year :D
 
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Rob

Thanks for the reply. It is always interesting when a product is pushing the edge of ideas like you are doing with Realm works. It is worth the wait.

Salcor
 
Important clarification: Calendars have NOT been abandoned. Not even close. Portraying them as such is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
Thanks Rob. I saw a couple people saying this and I'm not sure where/why it started.
 
Weogarth,

Thanks for the tip about MilieuSim's WeatherMaster. Seems like it would have been a great option. It is a shame they closed shop. Would have been nice if they had left it available as a free or paid unsupported version or opensourced it, but since that doesn't seem to be the case, I don't see how anyone who never bought a licensed copy back in the day can legally get and a copy now and use past the demo period.



If you Google well enough, you can find WeatherMaster which will allow you to have custom calendars and also do moon phases and other things.

In some ways, it was to calendars and astronomy for RPGs what Realm Works is to full campaign management.

It's well out of date and you have to do some hacks to get it to run but you may find it worth the hassle.
 
I've edited my post to correct the inaccurate statements regarding development timelines and to focus on the constructive discussion of stop-gap options for converting custom-calendar dates in the meantime.

Important clarification: Calendars have NOT been abandoned. Not even close. Portraying them as such is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

Calendars simply have a few other things that came out as higher priority in the eyes of the user base. I realize some users don't like it, but that's not an excuse for changing the facts and resorting to hyperbole that just isn't true.

We now return you to constructive discussions about alternative options for calendars in the interim until custom calendars are completed within Realm Works...
 
Calendars for me are important, for time and event tracking, not because I want/need some convoluted 19 day week 21 month monstrosity to admin.

What I have done in the past and will do again if need be:

Create an Excel spreadsheet, with 4 weeks and 7 days to a week in 12 one month tabs.

I then print a player copy for them to track important stuff by hand. This time however I will simply save a .xlsx file on the campaign share for all to use.

I will have my own copy on the GM share (so all systems can see it), and fill it out as needed.

End of day this simple calendar will allow me to track time, events and anything else I wish or need.
 
Thanks, Rob. I knew this already, but felt I couldn't comfortably reply to this thread without ranting.

Sorry for provoking you into a near rant—were on the same side. I've corrected my inaccuracies and, hopefully, improved the tone of my original post.
 
I know many of us have been laser-focused on implementing calendars within RW so that we can expand our linkages even further, but it is useful to recognize that there are a lot of really good solutions and ideas out in the wild already. Especially if what you are really seeking is moon phases, tides, seasons, etc. rather than linking.

Weather -- http://donjon.bin.sh/d20/weather/

Weather -- Dragon Magazine 137, page 34 (based on Earth-like setting by latitude range by terrain type by coastal/inland by climate category by month for temperature, precipitation and wind). There was an interesting Gnome Stew article about automating this using Excel a while back.

Calendars were touched on in Dragon Magazine 47, page 24 by Greenwood and Dragon Magazine 123, page 54 with some templates and page 60 by Moore.

I'd recommend checking out http://home.earthlink.net/~duanevp/dnd/calendars.htm for a variety of popular calendars. Of particular note, most popular published fantasy settings are 360-365 days in length.... Very Gregorian-able.

For Golarian, some folks create a modified Google calendar since the days/months mostly correspond to Gregorian.

For conversions, you may find a 10,000 year Gregorian calendar useful for matching things up over the ages. http://calendarhome.com/print-a-calendar/plain-calendar/10000-year-perpetual?
 
Weogarth,

Thanks for the tip about MilieuSim's WeatherMaster. Seems like it would have been a great option. It is a shame they closed shop. Would have been nice if they had left it available as a free or paid unsupported version or opensourced it, but since that doesn't seem to be the case, I don't see how anyone who never bought a licensed copy back in the day can legally get and a copy now and use past the demo period.
I am not a lawyer and I respect LWD's position on copyrighted information, etc.

That being said, this is a product that has been unsupported by company that has gone out of business. It was a few years ago, but I did find ways to get the program and keep it working should you wish to invest the time in doing so.
 
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