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[ab-files] New 40K and Mordheim files released!

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Yes, new files for Warhammer 40,000 and Mordheim have been finished and
are now available for your viewing pleasure.




Warhammer 40,000 changes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Catachans:
Added the Codex!

Chaos:
Plague Marines now get +1A for having Plague Knives.
Plague Marine Champions don't now get free Close Combat weapons.
Corrected an error in the Plague Sword description.

Orks:
Fixed various problems with the Looted Rhino.
A mega-armoured Ork can now take a Kustomised Shoota and make it More
Shooty.

Dark Angels:
Command Squad Sergeants are now optional, not compulsory.

Blood Angels:
The Death Company now displays that it can have Bolt Pistols & CCWs, or
Bolters.
The Veteran Assault Squad Sergeant now gets free Frag Grenades.

Imperial Guard:
Let the Colonel take a Storm Bolter.
Added the stuff from the Catachan codex.
Corrected the Sentinel statline.

Space Marines:
Because IDIOTS KEPT COMPLAINING!&*$*"*&^ the Scout Sergeant & Veteran
Sergeant can now take Sniper Rifles, and so on, if you click the 'Show
Scout Weapons' option they now have.

All:
You can now take two Master-Crafted Weapons, instead of just one.
Fixed some things which would have caused horrific, planet-shattering
problems in Army Builder II.




Mordheim Changes:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Corrected the Chaos Hounds save.
Made the 'Holy Relic' be an 'Unholy Relic' for all the evil warbands.
Let Possessed Beastmen henchmen get +1S as an upgrade.
Gave Beastmen access to double-handed weapons to hold in their Extra Arm
- only take these if you've got that 'super strength' skill. (this will
get better in AB2)
Let the Beastmen take Hired Swords.
Added Nicodemus, the Greatest Wizard in the Known World.
Corrected the 'Sword of Rezhebel's description.




The files can be downloaded from the Army Builder section of
http://www.freek-inc.com/skrills/, or from the Vault of the ab-files
list; http://www.egroups.com/ab-files/docvault/




Note: For some reason, skrill.org isn't working (heads will roll,
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> Catachans:
> Added the Codex!

Hoorah!!

> Space Marines:
> Because IDIOTS KEPT COMPLAINING!&*$*"*&^ the Scout Sergeant & Veteran
> Sergeant can now take Sniper Rifles, and so on, if you click the 'Show
> Scout Weapons' option they now have.

Since when did Sgts have access to sniper rifles?? C:SM page 5 restricts sgts
from gaining such weapons. And Vet Sgts can only use weaponry from the armoury -
and sniper rifles aint in the armoury!!

> You can now take two Master-Crafted Weapons, instead of just one.

Thats plain wrong!! Wargear can only be taken once per model and Master Craft is
wargear and thus only one weapon can be MC'ed.


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"jimi" james.tubma-@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/armybuilder/?start=721
> > Catachans:
> > Added the Codex!
>
> Hoorah!!
>
> > Space Marines:
> > Because IDIOTS KEPT COMPLAINING!&*$*"*&^ the Scout Sergeant &
Veteran
> > Sergeant can now take Sniper Rifles, and so on, if you click the
'Show
> > Scout Weapons' option they now have.
>
> Since when did Sgts have access to sniper rifles?? C:SM page 5
restricts sgts
> from gaining such weapons. And Vet Sgts can only use weaponry from
the armoury -
> and sniper rifles aint in the armoury!!

I know. I've put in an option that you click, which has the explanation
on it, to stop people emailing me about it.

> > You can now take two Master-Crafted Weapons, instead of just one.
>
> Thats plain wrong!! Wargear can only be taken once per model and
Master Craft is
> wargear and thus only one weapon can be MC'ed.

Hmmm... you could interpret it as 'Master-crafted X' being the wargear,
and thus not being allowed to be duplicated. I.e., you couldn't have
two MC Plasma Pistols.

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> I know. I've put in an option that you click, which has the explanation
> on it, to stop people emailing me about it.

Let them complain to GW - the whole point about the AB files is to follow the
rules as laid down in the rulebook/codexes. By adding in an illegal option you
risk destroying the reputation that the AB files have.

What next?? A 10-man Dev squad, with each marine having a heavy wepaon for 5pts
because so idiot complains he wants it that way??  :)

> Hmmm... you could interpret it as 'Master-crafted X' being the wargear,
> and thus not being allowed to be duplicated. I.e., you couldn't have
> two MC Plasma Pistols.

The wargear rule is quite clear and cannot be misunderstood - even by an amoeba
:P

Again, the AB files shouldnt have stuff that is illegal - it damages their
credibility. And after paying for AB and supporting it unconditionally, I feel
very strongly on this point.


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I have to agee with Jimi on this one. If someone just has to have these
none legit items in their army, let them write it on their sheets with pen.
They can't complain about add the points up for that! As the original
maintainer and distributor of the AB data files (though Avatar Gaming
Group), I feel I know what i'm talking about (IMHO).

Thanks,
Brikey

>From: "Jimi" james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk (james.tubman@cableinet.co.uk)
>Reply-To: armybuilder@egroups.com (armybuilder@egroups.com)
>To: armybuilder@egroups.com (armybuilder@egroups.com)
>Subject: [AB] Re: [ab-files] New 40K and Mordheim files released!
>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:01:07 -0000
>
>
> > I know. I've put in an option that you click, which has the explanation
> > on it, to stop people emailing me about it.
>
>Let them complain to GW - the whole point about the AB files is to follow
>the
>rules as laid down in the rulebook/codexes. By adding in an illegal option
>you
>risk destroying the reputation that the AB files have.
>
>What next?? A 10-man Dev squad, with each marine having a heavy wepaon for
>5pts
>because so idiot complains he wants it that way?? :)
>
> > Hmmm... you could interpret it as 'Master-crafted X' being the wargear,
> > and thus not being allowed to be duplicated. I.e., you couldn't have
> > two MC Plasma Pistols.
>
>The wargear rule is quite clear and cannot be misunderstood - even by an
>amoeba
>:P
>
>Again, the AB files shouldnt have stuff that is illegal - it damages their
>credibility. And after paying for AB and supporting it unconditionally, I
>feel
>very strongly on this point.
>
>
>Jimi
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> I have to agee with Jimi on this one.  If someone just has to have these 
> none legit items in their army, let them write it on their sheets with pen.  
> They can't complain about add the points up for that!  As the original 
> maintainer and distributor of the AB data files (though Avatar Gaming 
> Group), I feel I know what i'm talking about (IMHO).

Well said Brikey!!


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"jimi" james.tubma-@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/armybuilder/?start=727
> > I know. I've put in an option that you click, which has the
explanation
> > on it, to stop people emailing me about it.
>
> Let them complain to GW - the whole point about the AB files is to
follow the
> rules as laid down in the rulebook/codexes. By adding in an illegal
option
> you risk destroying the reputation that the AB files have.

They have a reputation? Can I make money from this? :P

I can't remember if I've explained this before, so I'll do it again.
It's ambiguous - most of the time the squads say "one space marine may
have" or "one guardian may have" etc., which obviously excludes
sergeants. The Scout squad says "Any model may have", which is where
the problems start.

> What next?? A 10-man Dev squad, with each marine having a heavy
wepaon for >5pts because so idiot complains he wants it that way?? :)

No, because that's just silly. :P

> > Hmmm... you could interpret it as 'Master-crafted X' being the
wargear,
> > and thus not being allowed to be duplicated. I.e., you couldn't have
> > two MC Plasma Pistols.
>
> The wargear rule is quite clear and cannot be misunderstood - even by
an amoeba
> :P

I'll look into it.

> Again, the AB files shouldnt have stuff that is illegal - it damages
their
> credibility. And after paying for AB and supporting it
unconditionally, I feel
> very strongly on this point.

I must say, I didn't appreciate the strength of feeling on this :)

I shall see what's what, and report back.

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> I can't remember if I've explained this before, so I'll do it again.
> It's ambiguous - most of the time the squads say "one space marine may
> have" or "one guardian may have" etc., which obviously excludes
> sergeants. The Scout squad says "Any model may have", which is where
> the problems start.

Actually, I've run into this problem before when I was running a 40k
league. A player was wanting to give his scout squad seargent a sniper
rifle because it states that up to four models may upgrade to a sniper
rifle. In the front (On page 4 I believe) of the SM codex there is a
statement that sergeants cannot recieve weapon upgrades for a squad.
They are pretty much limited to bolters or bolt pistol and combat
weapon, or upgrading to a vet. sergeant, gaining access to the armory.
I'm sure there are similar listings for other "sergeants" of other
races.

Hope this helps.

Chris Stricker

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> rifle.  In the front (On page 4 I believe) of the SM codex there is a
> statement that sergeants cannot recieve weapon upgrades for a squad.

Codex:Space Marines, page 5, under the heading of "Army List Entries" there is a
statement that begins "Options:......"

This is the rule that prohibits any sgt from taking squad upgrades.


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> They have a reputation? Can I make money from this? :P

The Ab files done by the 'Skrills' (:P) do indeed have a reputation, and its
growing all the time. Admittedly, there are a few small gliches with the AB
files but the general concensus (at least from the vast majority of the people
on my mailing lists and my wargames group) is that the files are very good anf
follow the rules as laid down in the rulebooks/codexes. Any deviation from those
rules will only damage this reputation and make people go elsewhere for their
army files.

This could have a knock-on effect - who wants to use an army builder program
when the files dont even correspond to what the rulesbooks/codexes say?? See
where this could lead??

> I can't remember if I've explained this before, so I'll do it again.
> It's ambiguous - most of the time the squads say "one space marine may
> have" or "one guardian may have" etc., which obviously excludes
> sergeants. The Scout squad says "Any model may have", which is where
> the problems start.

People will always use the way an entry is written to power-game. They quite
convieniently forget the small limitations (like the sgt getting no squad
upgrades) and go for an edge over their opponent (no matter how small it may
be).

> I'll look into it.

OK  :)

> I must say, I didn't appreciate the strength of feeling on this :)

I'm not alone in this - thank God. Otherwise people would just think I'm nothing
but a whining Space Woof!!  :)


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"jimi" james.tubma-@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
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> Codex:Space Marines, page 5, under the heading of "Army List Entries"
there is a
> statement that begins "Options:......"
>
> This is the rule that prohibits any sgt from taking squad upgrades.

Yes. I know. :P

I'f you'd read my previous post, you would have also known that
although I know this, I also know that (are you confused yet?) it says
in the Scouts description "Any model can take...". This is the problem.

In my infinite wisdom, I have decided to phone up Games Workshop
tomorrow. I shall take all views into consideration, decide on a
solution and then ignore all further posts on this topic. :)

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"jimi" james.tubma-@cableinet.co.uk wrote:
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> This could have a knock-on effect - who wants to use an army builder
program
> when the files dont even correspond to what the rulesbooks/codexes
say?? See
> where this could lead??

With respect, you are making mountains out of molehills.

What you say would be true if, whenever someone asked for something
obviously illegal to be put in the files, I added it. Anyone who's
paying attention should be able to see that the Scout Sergeant issue is
ambiguous at best. I haven't even added the weapon as normal - you have
to jump through hoops to reach it.

I dislike your allegations that this could lead to the collapse of the
fabric of society. :)

> People will always use the way an entry is written to power-game.
They quite
> convieniently forget the small limitations (like the sgt getting no
squad
> upgrades) and go for an edge over their opponent (no matter how small
it may
> be).

Different people play different ways. I have heard from someone that
Sergeants with Sniper Rifles were permitted at the GT, for example.

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> With respect, you are making mountains out of molehills.

I hope so - I'd hate for a perfectly good system to turn sour.

> I dislike your allegations that this could lead to the collapse of the
> fabric of society. :)

Its the Chaos Lord in me - honest!!  :P

> Different people play different ways. I have heard from someone that
> Sergeants with Sniper Rifles were permitted at the GT, for example.

I've heard that too - but then I've never taken the ability of tourny organizers
to know everything as 100% fact. If everyone knew everything then the world
would be a boring place :)

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