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A teaser for Pathfinder Society Players...

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Check out what's included in the upcoming Pathfinder release. :)

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This sourcebook list will be included in the standard print-out, in case you're curious. If all goes according to plans, the release should be out later this week.
 
My question would be is this setup so it only works with PFS characters and those sources turned on? I can see many groups making use of this when a DM asks where is "X" thing from it would be really handy.

Can this feature be turned on for "non-PFS" characters?
 
It's on for everyone - it's just been much-requested at the PFS character creation stations, which is why it's being advertised as a PFS tool.
 
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It's on for everyone - it's just been much-requested at the PFS character creation stations, which is why it's being advertised as a PFS tool.
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Sweet! Thank you !

My group allows more and more books so its nice to be able to get a reference for the different Things. :)
 
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It's on for everyone - it's just been much-requested at the PFS character creation stations, which is why it's being advertised as a PFS tool.
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Exactly.

As an aside, I want to thank everyone who suggested in at cons. There was one guy at Pacificon, a small convention in the bay area. I was setting up the station, and he was passionately talking about how this feature would be incredibly valuable to him and other PFS players. Thanks, random con goer! :)
 
This is sooo handy.

Some tweaking for this to only show the least amount of sources needed would be great too! (For those that have multiple sources, add them to one of those sources already displayed.)

In the image, lots of the Inner Sea World Guide could be put together.
 

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Shawnie said:
This is sooo handy.

Some tweaking for this to only show the least amount of sources needed would be great too! (For those that have multiple sources, add them to one of those sources already displayed.)

In the image, lots of the Inner Sea World Guide could be put together.
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Well that would be partly useful you will end up with the same issue. But then in regards to having the feature mentioned on several places. Now it is:

advanced armory/curse of the crimson throne/inner sea world guide/ultimate equiment-harrow deck

otherwise you will end up with:

advanced armory - harrow deck
curse of the crimson throne - harrow deck
inner sea world guide - harrow deck
ultimate equiment - harrow deck

I like the current implementation a lot better
 
I think you're misunderstanding what I mean. Consolidating to the least amount of sourcebooks would have no duplicates.

Instead of:

  • Adventurer's Armory / Curse of the Crimson Throne / Inner Sea World Guide / Ultimate Equipment - Harrow deck (equipment)
  • Curse of the Crimson Throne / Inner Sea World Guide - Harrowed (feat)
  • Inner Sea Races / Inner Sea World Guide - Osiriani (language); Varisian (language)
  • Inner Sea World Guide - Fortune Teller (feat); Varisian (equipment)

You'd just have:
  • Inner Sea World Guide - Harrow deck (equipment); Harrowed (feat); Osiriani (language); Varisian (language); Fortune Teller (feat); Varisian (equipment)
 
I think you are missing my point. The thing with the harrow deck (as an example) is it has 4 different sources. So if you do end up splitting it up as you want. You will have 4 entries just for harrow deck or more if a certain item/feat/skill is mentioned in even more books. As for going for the least amount of source books (together with the fact you might not have the book it will consolidate to but do have the separate sources that mentions them) could likely be very intensive depending on the implementation.

For example I might have the books: Curse of the crimson throne, inner sea races.
I for example didn't choose the stuff from just the Inner sea world guide.
So the consolidating would point me to the Inner Sea World Guide still. Seeing that has all the material I selected anyway.
But I don't have the actual book for pathfinder society

so instead of:
  • Adventurer's Armory / Curse of the Crimson Throne / Inner Sea World Guide / Ultimate Equipment - Harrow deck (equipment)
  • Curse of the Crimson Throne / Inner Sea World Guide - Harrowed (feat)
  • Inner Sea Races / Inner Sea World Guide - Osiriani (language); Varisian (language)
  • Inner Sea World Guide - Fortune Teller (feat); Varisian (equipment)

You would need because people might not have a the recommended consolidating book:

  • Inner Sea World Guide - Harrow deck (equipment); Harrowed (feat); Osiriani (language); Varisian (language); Fortune Teller (feat); Varisian (equipment)
  • Ultimate Equipment - Harrow deck (equipment)
  • Curse of the Crimson Throne - Harrow deck (equipment), Harrowed (feat)
  • Adventurer's Armory - Harrow deck (equipment)
  • Inner sea races - Osiriani (language); Varisian (language)

But either way both have their merits I prefer it the way as it currently is myself
 
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You are right that the Harrow deck appears in all those sourcebooks, but as a piece of equipment you don't need ALL those sourcebooks to use the deck on a character.
You only need one, so it would make sense to take a book that you already need for another reason.

The same would go for Feats which have been reprinted in several sourcebooks etc.
 
Seems you posted while I updated my post with a few updates with an example scenario where it would form an issue. I for example have a lot more available in my hero lab then I actually have books and don't always bother deselecting sources.

As I said I see merits for both but the current implementation works better in regards to covering both possible scenarios.
 
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Hehe, caught me while I was online ;)

The consolidation would only occur once a first pass was done to determine the books needed, so it shouldn't recommend a book you don't have, as it would only narrow down to the sources you already need.

In the above example you need the Inner Sea World Guide for the Fortune Teller feat (the only source that has it), so all other references to the Inner Sea World Guide can be added to that book instead of referring to other sources.
 
The issue I can see happening with that is it appearing in several books that you still have for example as well and the passing needs to start determining in which it would put it or decide to put it in both as well. Becoming a lot more programming intensive.

A second issue the characters also need to be reviewed. The reviewer might not be having all the books at his disposal for reviewing. By consolidating you remove the possibility for that person to look certain things up already in different books. Causing only the stuff he didn't have access to, to be reviewed just before session instead of everything.

PS. don't take it the wrong way. I don't mind the idea itself at all. I just am looking for issues for both Lonewolf to counter and GM's that might end up having to look through the stuff.
 
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It's only a short logic-loop.

Well, the idea is that the player brings the sources - I still see this as being a good added extra, but I think we can agree to disagree :)

edit: Having a checkmark option for both versions would work best, for PFS games where the less amount of books carried around the better (And also the great idea from Togainu where new players can find the least amount of books to purchase to see their concept work), and for general games, where knowing where all the possible references are is best.
 
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