40k Beta IV Space Wolf problem

[machast at kscable.com]

Ok, maybe we are just interpreting the rules differently? But,
SW Grey Hunters when armed with a Bolter & CCW recieve two attacks
when charged and when they charge as well. The text of the 'True
Grit' rule simply states that a bolter is considered a bolt pistol
for HtH but in exchange they do not get the bonus +1 Attack for
charging like other units do.

Summary:
Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW charging = 2 attacks
Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW getting charged = 2 attacks


Am I crazy?

Mike




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[felix at medford.net]

Your logic is flawed, but the outcome is the same. TG allow's the SW to
use is bolter as a CC Wpn as long as he didn't charge. SO -

Bolter and CC Wpn Charging -> 2 attacks (one for his stat, one for
the charge)
All subsequent rounds (and being charged) -> 2 attacks (one for
his stat, one for TG)
BoltPistol and CC Wpn Charging -> 3 attacks (one for stat, one for
charge, one for extra ccwpn)
All subsequent rounds (and being charged) -> 2 attacks (one for
his stat, one for extra ccwpn)

got it?


At 01:13 AM 10/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:




> Ok, maybe we are just interpreting the rules differently? But,
>SW Grey Hunters when armed with a Bolter & CCW recieve two attacks
>when charged and when they charge as well. The text of the 'True
>Grit' rule simply states that a bolter is considered a bolt pistol
>for HtH but in exchange they do not get the bonus +1 Attack for
>charging like other units do.
>
>Summary:
>Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW charging = 2 attacks
>Grey Hunter with Bolter/CCW getting charged = 2 attacks
>
>
>Am I crazy?
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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[machast at kscable.com]

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, trent <felix@m...> wrote:

>Bolter and CC Wpn Charging -> 2 attacks (one for his stat, one for
> the charge)

Hate to quote the dex on 'True Grit' but, "In game terms, this
means that they may count their bolter as a bolt pistol in close
comabt and will therefore be allowed to roll an extra Attack dice if
they are equiped with a second pistol or close combat weapon.
However, a model using their bolter in this manner may not recieve
the attack bonus for charging..."

True grit negates the charge bonus.

Regardless, this is incorrectly reflected in the SW AB files.

Mike



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[felix at medford.net]

At 02:07 AM 10/12/2000 +0000, you wrote:
> Hate to quote the dex on 'True Grit' but, "In game terms, this
>means that they may count their bolter as a bolt pistol in close
>comabt and will therefore be allowed to roll an extra Attack dice if
>they are equiped with a second pistol or close combat weapon.
>However, a model using their bolter in this manner may not recieve
>the attack bonus for charging..."
>
>True grit negates the charge bonus.

Don't have my 'dex handy - but what your trying to tell me is that
a normal marine (or even one carrying a heavy weapon) will get an attack
bonus on the charge, but someone with true grit won't?

trent


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[machast at kscable.com]

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, trent <felix@m...> wrote:

> Don't have my 'dex handy - but what your trying to tell me
is that
> a normal marine (or even one carrying a heavy weapon) will get an
attack
> bonus on the charge, but someone with true grit won't?


Actually, just if he is using the bolter as a bolt pistol. Which
means if he keeps that bolt pistol, he keeps the charge bonus.

So, it's just the 'True Grit' and bolter/CCW combination that is
affected.


Mike



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[james.tubman at cableinet]

> Actually, just if he is using the bolter as a bolt pistol. Which
> means if he keeps that bolt pistol, he keeps the charge bonus.

SW marines who charge still get the charge bonus of +1 Attacks. SW marines
who have the True Grit (TG) skill and who are armed with bolter/ccw still
get the +1A charge bonus.

They dont, however, get the +1A bonus for having two ccw - TG allows them to
use the bolter one-handed but only if they remain stationary.


Jimi

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[machast at kscable.com]

--- In armybuilder@egroups.com, "Jimi" <james.tubman@c...> wrote:

> SW marines who charge still get the charge bonus of +1 Attacks. SW
marines
> who have the True Grit (TG) skill and who are armed with bolter/ccw
still
> get the +1A charge bonus.
>
> They dont, however, get the +1A bonus for having two ccw - TG
allows them to
> use the bolter one-handed but only if they remain stationary.

That's not how the 'True grit' rule reads, but it works out the
same. The point is yet again; AB doesn't show this in the statline
of Grey Hunters armed with Bolter CCW. Afterall, this is the AB
list not the SW rules arguement list.

Mike



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