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3.5 Reprints!!!! JUSTICE!!!!!

Don't think it's justice, and I'm not into edition wars arguments, I think wizards have finally realised that the name Dungeons and Dragons as a brand is far removed now from it's earlier incarnations!

As the rules fundamentally changed from the game I played as a teen and older it was a change to far. All of my investment became obselete with the new ruleset but from 1st to 2nd to 3rd to V3.5 only a small percentage was rendered unusable.

And I had all official v3.0 and 3.5 products but the Tome of Battle / Horror.

I won't be investing in the reprints but I have voiced my opinion on what ought to be re-released in the survey.

Humble pie WotC?
Yummy!!!
 
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bodrin said:
Humble pie WotC?
Yummy!!!
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LOL totally agree. :)

Considering we all got treated by WotC and PDFs before I will never give them my money again. I am glade they are putting them back out for those that want them. I always agree with options/choices (same with Droid vs iOS).

I have moved totally over to Paizo and I am super happy. Getting the PDFs for free for rule books with a subscription ROCKS! Add in that they update the PDFs with errata and its chocolate frosting on a chocolate cake! :p
 
Speaking from a personal standpoint, I am also happy players again have the option of picking up the 3.5 core books new.
 
I have to think... Why is WotC going backwards instead of forwards? A system that is defunct does not need a reprint at all. While yea there is Pathfinder but it does not apply here with 3.5.
I think of it as a sign of desperation and grasping at every dollar they can get now.
 
Given one of the foundations of 5th edition seems to be "play whichever ruleset you want", it could also be that they're just trying to set up the groundwork for people who want to buy 3.5 instead of pirate PDFs.
 
Supposedly, according to the notes Monte Cooke posted while he worked for them, WotC is making D&D Next backward compatible across all the editions. They are creating a modular system so that dungeon masters can pick and choose what they want to include. As a playtester DM so far I like what they're doing. Though if they wish to maintain backward compatibility they will need to rerelease the books for older editions of the game. Plus by now they have realized cutting off PDF sales did not have the "anti-piracy" effect they wanted. It has only driven people to competitors like paizo. Personally I do want the 3.5 line back in print. I do want to be able to acquire the Forgotten Realms books I was not able to get back when it was out. I would also like to see them do a full printing of Dark Sun for 3.5, as it would definitely sell books. I loved the Athas.org pdfs, but I would rather have nice hard copies with good artwork in them.
 
And I will admit, paizo doesn't always give good "item descriptions" for gear either. Climbers kit basically just says a +2 bonus on climb checks. While the 3.5 book says exactly what items the kit contains...
 
RavenX said:
And I will admit, paizo doesn't always give good "item descriptions" for gear either. Climbers kit basically just says a +2 bonus on climb checks. While the 3.5 book says exactly what items the kit contains...
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Climber’s Kit: These crampons, pitons, ropes, and
tools give you a +2 circumstance bonus on Climb checks

Directly from the Core Rule Book.

BTW, WotC did not drive people to Paizo because of the lack of PDF's support. They drove them away with the 4th edition rules for the most part AND the lack of PDF support at a later date because Paizo took advantage of that fact and gave their fans all the PDF's they could possibly want!! Not to mention you do not have to jump through hoops to get their PDF's either.
 
Nikmal said:
BTW, WotC did not drive people to Paizo because of the lack of PDF's support. They drove them away with the 4th edition rules for the most part AND the lack of PDF support at a later date because Paizo took advantage of that fact and gave their fans all the PDF's they could possibly want!! Not to mention you do not have to jump through hoops to get their PDF's either.
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4th edition did drive away a lot of people, initially they were selling the PDF version of the book for an extra dollar when you purchased a hard copy, which I did not mind. It was an extra dollar for an electronic copy of the book. When they cut that out and changed the character builder, I used Hero Lab.

THE PDF issue boiled down to an attempt to sell more 4e product. They were not happy with the fact 4e was not selling at all. You could still get 3.5 and older edition pdfs when 4e was around. 4e has been for the most part, a financial loss on their part ever since it debuted. The RPGA playtesters who actually did the official playtests at Gen Con did not like 4e and told them so. I was one of the few RPGA judges that outright refused to run it. Normally with new rules I am fine, but I did not like the changes. PDF sales are good business and other companies have reaped huge profits off online sales (White-wolf, Catalyst Game Labs, Paizo). WotC just wants to sweep 4e under a rug and forget about it the same way atari did with E.T. the video game.

WotC has had requests for years to bring back the 3.5 line, they are finally listening to the people who actually purchase the products about what they want, and not forcing us to buy 4e. They're wisened up and realized 4e won't sell. I own the entire line of 4e books, but I did not pay a dime for them. My players and other players just gave them to me.

We've been playing Pathfinder for years, basically since it first hit the shelf, and we are enjoying it. 4e was good for introducing New players to the game, but they need something more complex to graduate to once it is done. 4e should have been marketed as "basic" d&d and 3.5 upgraded to "advanced" d&d instead of the forced launch of what they knew was a bad system.
 
bodrin said:
Don't think it's justice, and I'm not into edition wars arguments, I think wizards have finally realised that the name Dungeons and Dragons as a brand is far removed now from it's earlier incarnations!
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I am not intending to have an edition war argument. I started this thread to let the community know these books were coming back into print so that interested parties could start putting away money to procure them.

Everyone has their own favorite edition, but frankly I am happy to see WotC finally listening to their consumer market base instead of Corporate greed.
 
I wouldn't call any edition of D&D or AD&D complex.

1st and 2nd Ed were about as simple as it gets.... 3.x added feats and a bunch of stuff, but it wasn't complex. Not when All my Rogue/Swashbuckler ever cared about was flanking something, and just going home when the adventure involved slimes, undead, constructs, demons, etc. My 4e Rogue/Fighter with feats and builds that turn him into a Swashbuckler type was far more versatility and complexity than his 3.5e version ever did.

4e started out too simple, got pretty complex to the point I wasn't seeing the same builds over and over via LFR, and then went to the land of too simple with Essentials.

But if you want a complex game, go play Traveller The New Era. Pick up a copy of Fire Fusion and Steel and have fun making all the equipment and star ships and vehicles for your campaign. Or play Shadowrun, or Gurps, or WoD. But the D&D system will never be complex provided it has the silliness of levels and experience points.

WoTC actually had me buying stuff until the books turned into nothing more than powers/equipment/feats. At that point an Electronic character builder that I could update with errata was far better than the printed books. Paying $80 a year to keep access to that has become more cost effective than buying books that get Erratad to the point of uselessness.
 
cryptoknight said:
But if you want a complex game, go play Traveller The New Era. Pick up a copy of Fire Fusion and Steel and have fun making all the equipment and star ships and vehicles for your campaign. Or play Shadowrun, or Gurps, or WoD. But the D&D system will never be complex provided it has the silliness of levels and experience points.
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I refuse to play Traveller since Mongoose got a hold of it. They managed to put in a nice chapter of feats and no way for characters to access them. Mongoose has messed up more than that. WotC may not be a good company, granted, but they did bring out 3.5 and it was good. I can at least trust those books.
 
My hope is that a renewed interest in 3.5 overall may result in a renewed interest in LW to get the d20 files into order.

3.5 was my last and final stop in D&D, I still run it today, modified of course. There are still too many things I find problematic in 3.5, and I've done my very best to correct them.

As for 4E, I tried that out, and I understand the modular aspect makes it a much more flexible system, but also lends itself to, as a previous poster put it, common builds because there isn't enough balance in the system. There wasn't in 3.5 either, but it was manageable, I digress though. The main problem I had with 4E is it was really created to appeal to console game players. Nothing reminds me more of it, many of the powers are like clicking and icon and waiting for it to come up again after cooldown. Frankly, why would you do that in P&P when many console games do it better. And the fact that roleplaying has been completely disregarded for feats, powers, equipment, and a purely combat oriented approach. Gaming has progressed to fighting for experience, and anything else you could do to further a character in experience is completely missing from the rulesets.

My 2 experience worth.
 
RavenX said:
I refuse to play Traveller since Mongoose got a hold of it. They managed to put in a nice chapter of feats and no way for characters to access them. Mongoose has messed up more than that. WotC may not be a good company, granted, but they did bring out 3.5 and it was good. I can at least trust those books.
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Heh I just got a refresher on Traveller from your post.

Traveller :TNE was the last copy published by GDW back in the early 90's.... It included an equipment design system called Fire, Fusion, and Steel with such awesomeness as using Quadratic Equations to design fire arm ammunition, which was a prerequisite to building guns.
 
RavenX said:
I am not intending to have an edition war argument. I started this thread to let the community know these books were coming back into print so that interested parties could start putting away money to procure them.

Everyone has their own favorite edition, but frankly I am happy to see WotC finally listening to their consumer market base instead of Corporate greed.
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Which is the point of my initial post. WotC actually listened to the consumer at last, not an edition war but a sensible decision based upon community feedback and, I presume, sales figures.

It's great to hear that the 3.5 system books are to be re-released updated.:D
 
I don't disagree, but I think they should also re-release all of 2e and 1e (I know that a select number of 1e books are being reprinted).

Or at least sell the blasted PDFs of the books... Would that be so bad? Sell the last two editions of the books in physical copy, and the PDFs of all editions. After all... the PDFs don't require much of anything in terms of Inventory cost.
 
Yes 2e I would purchase up. I honestly wish they'd do a print on demand thing. It would just make it easier in the long run. That way every player / d.m. could get exactly what they want and there are no edition wars issues.

Also, Traveller may be complex to an extent, I would rather run Shadowrun than Traveller... the system is much better designed and just as much work to run (Hence why I have the licenses for the system for HL)
 
to be honest. If you are buying reprints based on the D&D Next, I would suggest waiting until D&D Next is actually physically released completely. You might be in for a big disappointment. I know I am based just on the Beta.
 
Nikmal said:
to be honest. If you are buying reprints based on the D&D Next, I would suggest waiting until D&D Next is actually physically released completely. You might be in for a big disappointment. I know I am based just on the Beta.
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I actually want a hard copy of the 3.5 books. One of my ex friends stole mine shortly after 4e launched. I have had no luck replacing them out here. 3.5 books are really scarce in comic shops down where I live.

I am also running the Beta for Next as a D.M. So far it's not bad, but my group has a few complaints about it. I just read on the WotC site they're planning to bring in new material to the playtest data soon. Manuevers and spells and a few other surprises.
 
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