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Realm Works Users' Vent in the HLO Forum

@Rob great to hear from you. Thank you for the big explanation. I hope some financial model will be identified, so work could continue. Maybe just with 1 developer to ensure a support, along with some volunteers from the community.
A kickstarter patreon or whatever could also provide some support in my opion.

And - I think - you have have proven your dedication (to me at least) numerous times on the forums, while RW was still in an active state.

Sometimes things just don't work out, but it would be great if RW would see some updates again :)

Good night!
 
@Rob,

if you are still checking in... I was a KS backer... and if you decided to move forward with RW development I would buy into a Patreon.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Grey Mage said:
@Rob,

if you are still checking in... I was a KS backer... and if you decided to move forward with RW development I would buy into a Patreon.

Just my 2 cents.
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I'd do a Patreon. Figure how much it would cost to do something and set it as a goal and then however long it takes is however long it takes.
 
I would support a model that does not force a monthly subscriptions and does not move the product to the web. Don't go into extortion business and all should be good.

RW is serious tool, should always retain desktop client for superior performance, offline and instant access to the data.

PS: Does anyone work on RW to fix the reported bugs?
 
Valyar said:
PS: Does anyone work on RW to fix the reported bugs?
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It's hard to believe they do at this time given LWD didn't know about the issues with the latest patch. They don't read the forums and don'e read the support tickets based on the forum chit chat I've seen. :(
 
daplunk said:
It's hard to believe they do at this time given LWD didn't know about the issues with the latest patch. They don't read the forums and don'e read the support tickets based on the forum chit chat I've seen. :(
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As the saying goes, if ignorance is bliss, they must be the happiest folks around !
 
Valyar said:
I would support a model that does not force a monthly subscriptions and does not move the product to the web. Don't go into extortion business and all should be good.

RW is serious tool, should always retain desktop client for superior performance, offline and instant access to the data.

PS: Does anyone work on RW to fix the reported bugs?
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I agree with almost everything you say, and I wouldn't personally have an issue with some sort of paid support model, RW is worth spending a few bucks on monthly or what ever.

However I do not like the idea of an open Patreon model personally, I would actually rather some sort of subscription. The reason being simple: Patreon would mean the few pay for the many, and that's not a situation I want to be in. What could end up happening those with the most cash end up driving the direction of the product, which seriously could push away users and thus support from those who cant match the funds, you end up driving an inverse whirlpool.

I am not saying I have a perfect solution, but I have always been a supporter of subscription models. Like a user fee; tax payers support busses, but each person riding it must pay a user fee as an example. Yearly Subscription nets you updates, we just need to see the yearly plan. What I guess the million dollar question is, how much would need to be generated to support the development. I have many subscriptions I pay for many monthly/yearly and have no issue with RW having one if it is reasonable and we get some support as our RoI.

You want updates you pay a small support cost.
 
I really do not mind those who are most interested paying for the new features that will bring in new users.

Mandatory subscription models are, to be nice about it, hated.
 
Today my friend mentioned World Anvil which sparked this memory for me.
I had just reformatted my computer so I went to redownload Realm Works today as I hadn't opened it in a year and wanted to see if it had been brought up to a useable standard after 7 years, but the link says that it cannot be downloaded securely by Google Chrome which makes me hesitant.

It's a shame how many things are conspiring against Realm Works success. The primary one is likely the psychological fear its failure has instilled in the developers that leads to hiding from it for more than a year at a time. Avoidance is a good way of maintaining good psychological health, but it doesn't improve the product to a marketable point or brainstorm monetization ideas.

I liked the bold and courageous attitude that once led to multiple statements of confidence like:
Remember, we've been developing Realm Works for almost three years now. That stuff in the video isn't a bunch of prototypes or an unrealizable vision that you might have seen in other Kickstarters.
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It is interesting to think of what could have been with a stronger integration to Hero Labs and a more presentable software. Now unfortunately the world is too different and the market much more saturated with subscription models that make more profit.
 
kbs666 said:
I really do not mind those who are most interested paying for the new features that will bring in new users.

Mandatory subscription models are, to be nice about it, hated.
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Maybe, but reality around us shows they are successful, so much so almost everything is using them.

it does not have to be mandatory, if you don't pay you don't get updates, make it yearly so you pay for a year to get updates (could be monthly payment but 1 year term).

I guess my friend what do you hate more? RW left to rot in the annals of gaming history, or spending a few bucks and see it to fruition?

I get Robs statement, RW doesn't generate enough money to bring in a profit, business don't survive on air, they need profits. So, a sub model maybe the way for RW to bring in a modest cash flow for modest development. There is hope that improved RW will then generate more subs.

But I ask Rob to remember for some us, RW is not a $50 piece of software, add up my subs, initial purchase and my store purchases it represents a much larger investment. Hence greater disappointment (not enough to warrant personal attacks however).
 
Exmortis said:
But I ask Rob to remember for some us, RW is not a $50 piece of software, add up my subs, initial purchase and my store purchases it represents a much larger investment. Hence greater disappointment (not enough to warrant personal attacks however).
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This. No personal attacks here - I get it. But I did back the Kickstarter at the Alpha Wolf level, so quite a substantial investment even before store purchases.
 
+1 here for a Patreon, or subscription model for Realm Works development.

We no longer play Pathfinder, even though I spent a small fortune in HLC, leaving RW the only software I am currently using, and I have yet to see anything else compare to its funcationality.
 
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