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Tome of Horrors Complete

Nikmal said:
The community version is not all out yet either. Not even close to being done. So I am all for the community getting it done but I would like it better if I can get it sooner rather then later though.
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What part are you thinking that is missing? As far as I know, the only ones that he did not completed are the ones that cannot be accomplished in HL at this point in time because it is not supported. (Templates removing subtypes)

Other than that, I think Frumple's files do what they need to. I haven't gone through every creature, but the ones I have seen are fine.
 
Theocrat said:
What would be the benefit of having both Tome of Horrors for PF installed? The community version would be free and the official one will have a particular cost associated with it. With all the money already plunked down in HL I'm not opposed to doing so for an official ToH version, but what would be the benefit of having it?
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I do know that the a la carte monsters (mongrelman in particular) allow you to pick and choose their respective "monster pieces" and have the bonuses calculated based on what you choose; I don't know if the community version does that or not.

We have the official book art in the paid version.

We duplicated the book, and have an errata document in prep to detail where the math didn't quite work out.

The paid version is updated and maintained to work with new versions of HL, by contract.

Answers to questions re: the file will be addressed (or at least a message stating we're looking into it) within 2 days, by contract.

I'm not in any way stating that anyone should get rid of their copy of the community file; we're very happy someone thought enough of the book to go to the effort. We're just releasing an Official File. If the community file fills your needs, by all means, please keep working with it. we're just providing the option.

Skeeter Green

And thank you everyone for your patience, we're going to try and be a little better on our end about teasing future releases. This one took a little more time than I/we thought.
 
ShadowChemosh said:
I can confirm from actually testing that these two play together just fine. You can have both installed in the same game folder without issues.
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Shadow has been a great help to the Frogs in us trying to get more stable in our releases, and in future products we can offer.

Several other members of the community have been extremely generous in their time and support as well, and I want to make sure they all know we appreciate their efforts. This is an EXCELLENT community and resource, and we are very happy to be a small part of it.

Skeeter Green
 
Hi author of the community version here.

I didn't include monsters that have been done by Paizo in their products (to avoid duplication [btw, the Mongrelman is included in this since it is in Bestiary 2]). I also didn't include unique monsters (such as Lucifer, the Animal Lords, etc.), monsters with class levels or psionic creatures (when there was on option for it, I included the arcane version of those). The only other monster that I didn't include was the Slaughterford because flurry of blows does not work with natural attacks at this time.

As for templates, again I didn't include ones that are in Paizo products. As well as the following:
Abomination - to complex for HL to handle at this time. User better off creating unique monster for this at this time.
Amphisbaena Creature - the removal of hind-quarters attacks I am still trying to figure out how to implement.
Clockwork Creature - needs to remove subtypes
Collective Creature - need to remove swarm subtype
Foo Creature - Paizo has done this
Ravenous/Eater of Flesh - has custom list of feats to choose from. Need to figure out how to implement.
Zombie, Juju - Paizo has done this
Zombie, Slime - removes subtypes
Zombie, Yellow Musk - Paizo has done this

I also have not done the N'gathau because I needed a break from TOH. :)

However, I did include all the animals, spells, feats, equipment, and poisons in the book. I also came up with a new way to do poisons so that you can use the Improved Poison Feat with them.

Altogether it took me about 3-4 months to do all of this.

:)
 
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I helped with some of the editing for the FGG ToHC, so I will reference a couple things, and hope that I don't anger the Frog Gods. I got involved late and didn't have the chance to look at every piece, but was definately not disappointed with what I saw. (Sorry, I was part of the delay since I got involved late and wanted to look over as much as I could and make a few tweaks.)

When last I saw the file, I think the only part that was missing was that the player race version of the monsters had not been implemented. (I have not seen the final release version yet so not sure if they were added after I sent my responses back.)

Since Frumple referenced the CatLord, I can assure you that the FGG version has the Catlord and Mouselord in them since I did those to work like the Lycan races. You will have the option to select human or animal form for them and have things adjust for you.

The Slime Zombie and Clockwork template are included so the GM can use, but as Frumple and LW have said, not all of the features are implemented because HL can't do them at this point. It will show that the previous sub-type was removed, and the new one applied, but that is just a display for easy reference for the GM. It really doesn't do anything else, and the previous sub-type abilities will still be on the character and the new sub-type abilities will not be. (I would highly recommend not putting them on your character if they do not apply to your character. They are for GM reference and will change things on your character that you won't be able to change back if you remove the template.)

The coders that worked on the FGG file did a great job with it and were able to get everything else in from what I saw. I do give them Kudos for the work they did in the amount of time they did it in. It was impressive! :D

After I get the release version of ToHC, and finish with my portion of the RC files for them, I will most likely try to crank out the player races for their next update if they were not able to add them in time.
 
After loading ToHC, I'm getting the following errors from the official Rappan Athuk files:

The data files could not be loaded due to errors. Hero Lab will now attempt to load them in recovery mode. Once loaded, you can access the editor as normal to correct any errors.

The following errors occurred:

File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 4) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('pFrogGod')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 12) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('pFGGMonst')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 21) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('pFGGModul')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 30) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('bRappAthu')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 37) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('bTomeHorr')


BoomerET
 
Without having the download for the release, I can't say for certain, but I think what is happening is that the .1st file they used for RA release and the one they released for ToHC are not playing nice together.
 
BoomerET said:
After loading ToHC, I'm getting the following errors from the official Rappan Athuk files:

The data files could not be loaded due to errors. Hero Lab will now attempt to load them in recovery mode. Once loaded, you can access the editor as normal to correct any errors.

The following errors occurred:

File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 4) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('pFrogGod')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 12) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('pFGGMonst')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 21) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('pFGGModul')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 30) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('bRappAthu')
File: FrogGodGames_Sources.1st (line 37) - Source - Duplicate record encountered ('bTomeHorr')


BoomerET
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We're aware of this and working to fix.

Skeeter Green
 
BoomerET said:
Thanks, you can tell Bill to ignore my email :)


BoomerET
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No worries.

The Deep Cave Frogs ( I keep the harder working frogs in a cave, so they don't understand what light is anymore; keeps them docile) have found the issue, and while it's a simple fix, it's time consuming, so it'll be a bit before we get the fix out, but it is on its way.
 
So I was planning on getting it anyway (Though for some odd reason I thought I already got the from a kickstarter though looks like I was wrong), but to use my Rappan Athuk files I need to buy this?
 
Dragnmoon said:
So I was planning on getting it anyway (Though for some odd reason I thought I already got the from a kickstarter though looks like I was wrong), but to use my Rappan Athuk files I need to buy this?
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You will not be required to buy ToHC to use the RA files. This is part of the known issue that is being worked on to resolve. Skeeter, myself or one of the the other Deep Cave Frogs will have more information on the resolution to this tomorrow.
 
Just wanted to give everyone an update on this.

What happened was that the file with the sources that were sent to LW for incorporation into the new ToHC release was the same file that was included in the RA files that people received.

This is doing two things.

1. The source ID's that were sent to LW were incorporated into HL itself, and so adding the source file from the RA download is giving you those duplicate thing errors. Removing the source file from RA will let you load HL properly.

2. Because the source name for RA was included in the ToHC release, that source name was tied to the ToHC license. This is why if you do remove the source file above and get it to start normally, you are not able to access RA unless you buy ToHC.

The Deep Cave Frogs have let LW know about this, and LW will be removing the RA source from the ToHC license as soon as they can. Once they remove the RA source from the ToHC license, myself or one of the other Deep Cave Frogs will post a new source file for RA on here for you to use. (You will have to have already purchased the RA dataset to use it as it will be the source file only and not the content.)

As of right now though, if you remove the source file from the RA dataset (FrogGodGames_Sources.1st) and you have the license for ToHC you can access everything at this time. As mentioned before, once LW removes the RA source from the ToHC license, you will not be required to purchase ToHC to use RA.
 
The good news: ToHC package, Pathfinder general, and RA files are all working nicely together in HeroLab .. no crashes, missing files, etc.

The bad news: It appears there's an error in the *content* of the ToHC package.. a template is not working as expected. Where is the best place to report that? As a bug in the bug report mechanism here, or to Frog God (somehow) ?
 
Silveras said:
The bad news: It appears there's an error in the *content* of the ToHC package.. a template is not working as expected. Where is the best place to report that? As a bug in the bug report mechanism here, or to Frog God (somehow) ?
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Good question Silveras. I don't have the exact answer for this yet, but I am working to get the answer. Which template are you referring to?
 
Umarian said:
Good question Silveras. I don't have the exact answer for this yet, but I am working to get the answer. Which template are you referring to?
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This is about the Undead Lord.

The specific case is entering a creature from the Rise of the Runelords, the Headless Lord: Undead Lord Fast Zombie Ogre Fighter 6

The problem I see is that, while there is a script in the template to restore the Int score and more, it does not seem to be working. The Int, Wis, and Cha scores are locked (at non-ability, 10, and 10), and feats added are not recognized as valid (Weapon Specialization does not recognize the matching Weapon Focus that *is* present, for example, and shows the "Weapon Focus required" warning message). Also, all of the Undead Lord's "Special" entries are disabled with the message "Requirements not met".
 
Umarian said:
I will look into this one. Since I only got involved with this file at the end, I don't know all the details right off so not sure what it is doing.

Umarian
Deep Cave Frog
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Thanks.. in the meantime, any word on how or where issues should be reported?
 
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