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weekly updates - another broken promise?

stuartwaring said:
Our group is, I suspect, one of many that has invested a lot of money in PF1 over the years. We have no desire to try, then invest heavily in a new system.
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Our group is exactly the same. We calculated that at current progress rate, it will take us 23 years to go through all the available content. Considering most of us are nearly 50, we will be arguing over grapple rules for years to come yet.

I am the only GM in our group that uses RW and other digital tools... but the others are coming round, and as soon as the CM is available they may invest.

I have personally the next 4-6 years mapped out with my guys - Rise of the Runelords, Skulls and Shackles and Return of the Runelords... so I'm keen to see the CM.... thats a lot of data entry!.
 
kbs666 said:
Speak for yourself. Many of us care very little for the CM and care greatly about almost everything else. I've long tried to convince LWD that the CM wasn't the revenue they were after. At this point all the Paizo stuff they've held up launching the CM is for a dead system. They could have launched the CM without Paizo and been bringing in whatever revenue they could while waiting for Paizo to get its own digital act together and at the very least giving their existing users, most of which are pretty obviously homebrew campaign builders, the features we want and need.
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For every GM using it for homebrew, I would expect there is at least 1 GM that bought it for CM content, myself included. however this is not the point of this thread.

I have got to the point that I don't care what the updates are, just give us meaningful updates, not nothing updates that quite frankly are just part of maintaining the product. but fixes and relatively minor changes like moving to 64bit, at least from a general users point of view, are not the updates we are after.

Rob promised us weekly updates on what he was working on with Realm works, this is not happening.

Again I'm going to reiterate that I will be holding Rob and the rest of the lone Wolf team accountable for this product. If they cant start to deliver something as simple as a weekly forum post, I will be voting with my wallet and going elsewhere for my RPG tools, and I encourage everyone else to do the same.

The Realm works Kick starter was in 2013, its now 2019 and the kick starter goals have still not been met. its time to either get serious about this project and start delivering, or call it a failure and learn from the mistakes that have been made.
 
I thought you were a coder? Migrating to 64 bit is the vital update upon which the survival of RW depended. Without it RW was doomed. It's performance was only going to get worse and worse as time went on. Assuming the CM eventually does go live people would inevitably put entire AP's plus supporting chunks of Golarion into a single realm and I can tell you from my own experience that 32 bit RW simply cannot handle that kind of load and be usable at the table. And from my own experience migrating a project from 32 bit to 64, even without any 3rd party library dependencies to deal, is never minor.
 
Just to add my thoughts

I know the original point of this thread was the lack of updates. I agree that the company should Post weekly even if it simply says no update. If they said they would add weekly, they should keep to it.

I also wanted to add that I will be buying a ton of PF stuff (classic) and I know many others who will as well. I think there is still plenty of demand. I have so much content that I don't plan on ever switching to the new version. I don't think they should have made it up to Paizo for the delay because I honestly think the true market is D&D 5e, but I also know there is a large PF community that isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
 
To be perfectly honest at the point in time when the CM finally hit the road I do think we all will find just 4 words for it:

"Too little, too late."

I personally doubt that there will be that much APs available neither from the start nor in any "near future" (I'm speaking in LWD near future time frames). There haven't been ANY new information about what APs or Modules would be available from the start. Even if they are not ready to launch it they at least have to know what things will be available for sure. If they launch will just that few things they previously announced, years ago, the massive reaction from everyone will be exactly that: Too little, too late.
 
Tharmiones said:
If they launch will just that few things they previously announced, years ago, the massive reaction from everyone will be exactly that: Too little, too late.
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Well, not everyone. Several of us in this very thread have remarked that we plan to make CM purchases. Even if it's only what they've already revealed - which I highly doubt - I'll be happy to see it (and buy it, too).

So again, and with respect, please don't speak for everyone without having factual knowledge of what everyone will say or do...
 
By this point they really should have all the PF bestiaries, which were very high in the survey of what people wanted back when they asked, plus all of the classic AP's RotRL, Curse of the Crimson Throne, Skull & Shackles and Shattered Star at least.

What I'd personally like to see, and I think a lot of the other homebrew sorts would as well, is small pieces like inns and taverns that are reasonably generic that can be dropped into a campaign and then further fleshed out by the GM. I just don't have the time to map out and create NPC's for every place where my PC's might start a bar brawl. Or even something like Hommlet from the module of the same name. A small reasonably generic village that can easily have adventure hooks added in. I'd pay a few bucks for that sort of stuff particularly if the maps were better than what I'm presently able to produce in CC3, which aren't very good I'm not very good.
 
Personally, I want to see CM come out but for multiple reasons. First, though I enjoy entering modules I don't always have time so it would be nice to get some already done.

Second, there is some information that can be entered into RW in different manners based on a person's interpretation. I'm curious to see how this was approached by various people/companies. Maybe I will get some insight from it or ideas.

Third, I know that some third-party companies invested in having realms made with their materials for the CM and would like to see a return on that investment.

After LW deals with the CM, bugs, and hopefully promised features (coughcaledars) I do think that if they have future cool ideas that they keep quiet until the unveiling. This will prevent the gnashing of teeth on both sides not to mention the torches & pitchforks. ;-)
 
Philderbeast said:
Again I'm going to reiterate that I will be holding Rob and the rest of the lone Wolf team accountable for this product. If they cant start to deliver something as simple as a weekly forum post, I will be voting with my wallet and going elsewhere for my RPG tools, and I encourage everyone else to do the same.
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Where are you going to go?

What a weird attitude. You decide whether a software product is worth using because of the frequency of development updates‽

If it doesn't meet your needs, then yes, move on to something that does. Better, don't buy something that doesn't currently meet your needs.

If it does meet your needs why would you stop using it because lack for forum updates?
 
Tharmiones said:
To be perfectly honest at the point in time when the CM finally hit the road I do think we all will find just 4 words for it:

"Too little, too late."

I personally doubt that there will be that much APs available neither from the start nor in any "near future" (I'm speaking in LWD near future time frames). There haven't been ANY new information about what APs or Modules would be available from the start. Even if they are not ready to launch it they at least have to know what things will be available for sure. If they launch will just that few things they previously announced, years ago, the massive reaction from everyone will be exactly that: Too little, too late.
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For me, that will only be true if their is a better alternative. I don't know what "too little, too late" means without a viable alternative. The worst case scenario that I can foresee is that they release it and I don't find anything of interest to buy. So, shrug, I continue using it as I have. If they have something useful to me, I'll buy it.

The only way I can make sense of the continued angry posts is that folks DON'T have a better alternative and they hope they can complain their way into getting what they want from the product that is closest to meeting their needs.
 
MNBlockHead said:
The only way I can make sense of the continued angry posts is that folks DON'T have a better alternative and they hope they can complain their way into getting what they want from the product that is closest to meeting their needs.
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In my head, it's kinda like when a cop pulls you over, and you say to them, "I pay your salary" and then expect them to take it well. I don't get it. *shrug*
 
For me it's ok as well - I mean, I kind of suspected this from the last post. They said "we’re now working hard to get everything properly tested and into place for the launch of the Content Market."

Right now I'm keeping an eye out for the new update to bring the expected "YES, DONE!", and dreading it will be a "sorry, guys - new problems." But to just see a rolling of "still testing" every week will get boring. I don't need an update like that (and it is the only realistic update for us to expect until they're finished).

Unless they'd say - "in the mean time we've also covered this minor feature or request". But I doubt they're working on those right now.
 
I've made what update I can as Rob is unavailable. The bottom line is we're working as fast as we can, we're understaffed and most of us work a lot of overtime. You deserve updates, but sadly when you're running around putting out fires all day, thinking to stop and repetitively describe the process after 12 plus hours is somewhere at the bottom of the list. As it is, many of us were avoiding taking even small vacations because it's always a crucial time here, so we've been rotating people out for a personal time where we can.

There isn't a lot to report that I'm aware of. We've fixed a lot of bugs and upgraded to 64-bit, but that's old news. The last few weeks have been spent working with Paizo on a slew of little items that keep cropping up in testing. So just more testing and lots of crossed fingers that it will be the last issue every time we tackle one.

Hope that helps!
 
BJ said:
I've made what update I can as Rob is unavailable. The bottom line is we're working as fast as we can, we're understaffed and most of us work a lot of overtime. You deserve updates, but sadly when you're running around putting out fires all day, thinking to stop and repetitively describe the process after 12 plus hours is somewhere at the bottom of the list. As it is, many of us were avoiding taking even small vacations because it's always a crucial time here, so we've been rotating people out for a personal time where we can.

There isn't a lot to report that I'm aware of. We've fixed a lot of bugs and upgraded to 64-bit, but that's old news. The last few weeks have been spent working with Paizo on a slew of little items that keep cropping up in testing. So just more testing and lots of crossed fingers that it will be the last issue every time we tackle one.

Hope that helps!
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It does help - me at least. Thanks, BJ!
 
Yes, thanks from me too!

I also belong to the "better updates with no real news, than no updates at all"-faction.
 
Yes, thanks for the update... But I don't stress over a few weeks missed. Maybe a few months, but not weeks.

Here is hoping you guys get that API straightened out with Paizo.
 
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