Content Market Disappointment-no 5e in Initial release

[gaffneyks]

Well darn.

That's it? Focus on Pathfinder as usual. Nothing for 5th edition. You initial release is Pathfinder and some images?

$5 for 10 images.........glad we waited thru all the delays for that!

Please tell us you are not going to focus on just one game system. Please tell us the initial release is more than that news release stated. I mean come on you have been talking about the content market for a long time, thru multiple Gen Cons and that's all the content you have for the Big release? And you totally ignore multiple game systems other than some overpriced images?

And why make the 5th edition people wait for the import/export if they weren't even going to have anything in the content market they could purchase?

All the delays for this and even the pathfinder fans who actually get content are going to be complaining because they have to purchase the PDF.

I am not really as excited about the Content Market as I was in August when it was just around the corner. Now I see that you don't have all that much Ready Made Content and not from some of the Big Names in the industry as stated on your website.

I am beginning to think that you might not even have WOTC on board and if I want to run a Forgotten Realms campaign i will have to enter it all myself or just give up on using Realm Works.

 

[the_redbeard]

While I share your general disappointment, I doubt that this is on Lone Wolf.

They want their product to succeed and have nothing to gain by withholding 5e content. Though not having the 5e SRD available is odd.

You'll note that even with the new OGL and the SRD being released, there is no full 5e purchase available for Herolab. Only the SRD is available for purchase. WotC hasn't released PDFs either. Pirated pdfs are out there, of course.

Yeah, you can get a license for 5e content for Fantasy Grounds, but it will cost you more than what you pay for the printed books. It's crazy.

I think WotC has a pretty messed up plan for digital content.

So let's do something POSITIVE about this.

Monthly or more frequently, WotC has been releasing playtest material and releasing a survey on previous materialhttp://sgiz.mobi/s3/88d00d488e70

WotC designers, Mearls and Crawford, claim that they read those surveys. Tell them politely that you would like to purchase 5e in an electronic form other than Fantasy Grounds. I mention pdf and Realm Works by name.

 

[daplunk]

Every survey I fill in for WOTC has Hero Lab and Realm Works in it... I occasionally even tag the designers in Twitter tweets telling them where I want to buy my material

Now if it does happen, I have no expectations that content will be cheap. I expect it to be more than the books which will be disappointing given I own them all. But I actively stopped buying books in the hope that WOTC would come to the table eventually. I hope the packs will be less than $100AUS for the core books. It's alot, i just don't see it being much cheaper given we already pay $70ish for core books from local stores.

Now lets say WOTC are at the table... LW won't be able to talk to that until a date in the project plan where it is acceptable to do that. It will be in a contract.

But still... I was personally hoping for 3rd party love. There is some great 5e 3rd party content out there.

But then again... if I was Paizo... I would have demanded that the initial advertisements focus on Pathfinder. I would have made them put that in the contract in order to sign me up.

So you see, we have no idea what is going on. Perhaps there's reason to be disappointed or perhaps it's a political nightmare that we can't hear about yet.

Either way I'm of the school that communication is key to success but understand the political landscape in the business world that often gets in the way.

 

[kbs666]

I would think LWD would have 5e material if they could.

I will point out that most any PF module can be converted to 5e relatively easily. Assuming a well formatted module in RW it shouldn't be too hard to go through and find all the skill checks, saving throws, NPC's and monsters and convert them to 5e.

 

[gaffneyks]

I would think LWD would have 5e material if they could.

I will point out that most any PF module can be converted to 5e relatively easily. Assuming a well formatted module in RW it shouldn't be too hard to go through and find all the skill checks, saving throws, NPC's and monsters and convert them to 5e.

Isn't the whole point of the Content Market "READY MADE CONTENT"? Why would I buy a product I don't want just to use Realm Works and then have to go to the trouble of changing the product?

LWD needs to realize that even though the base Realm Works product does not compete with the Virtual Tabletops . The content market sure does. And if Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds can come to an agreement with WOTC. Then it would be in LWD best interest to do so also, or lose business. Its not like they did not have a long time to make a deal with WOTC since it has taken so long for them to go live.

I already entered everything I need for LMOP into Realm Works, but I needed the maps. Once I went out and purchased the maps from Mike Schley for $10 I saw that the whole adventure was for sale on Fantasy Grounds and Roll20 for $20. And it got me thinking, LMOP was just for the first 5 levels. Do I really want to do this all over to add Princes of the Apocalypse to Realm Works?

Why did i take the time to enter this in Realm Works when for $10 more I could have just purchased the whole adventure? Now granted I would have to purchase the virtual tabletop software and get everyone to agree to stop using miniatures and use the virtual tabletop. But still.

I had hoped the content market would solve this problem for me, it appears that LWD has decided to focus on Paizo products, hence it has not solved my problem and I am disappointed. Thus my above post.

 

[meek75]

Isn't the whole point of the Content Market "READY MADE CONTENT"? Why would I buy a product I don't want just to use Realm Works and then have to go to the trouble of changing the product?

I already said this in another forum, but it bears repeating -- I would absolutely by a system neutral module and add in the mechanical bits. If the story is solid and the realm is well organized I'm sold. No, I don't want to pay the high price for a PF module and then still need to change it. However, a more affordable system neutral offering would be very welcome.

 

[kbs666]

Isn't the whole point of the Content Market "READY MADE CONTENT"? Why would I buy a product I don't want just to use Realm Works and then have to go to the trouble of changing the product?

LWD needs to realize that even though the base Realm Works product does not compete with the Virtual Tabletops . The content market sure does. And if Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds can come to an agreement with WOTC. Then it would be in LWD best interest to do so also, or lose business. Its not like they did not have a long time to make a deal with WOTC since it has taken so long for them to go live.

I already entered everything I need for LMOP into Realm Works, but I needed the maps. Once I went out and purchased the maps from Mike Schley for $10 I saw that the whole adventure was for sale on Fantasy Grounds and Roll20 for $20. And it got me thinking, LMOP was just for the first 5 levels. Do I really want to do this all over to add Princes of the Apocalypse to Realm Works?

Why did i take the time to enter this in Realm Works when for $10 more I could have just purchased the whole adventure? Now granted I would have to purchase the virtual tabletop software and get everyone to agree to stop using miniatures and use the virtual tabletop. But still.

I had hoped the content market would solve this problem for me, it appears that LWD has decided to focus on Paizo products, hence it has not solved my problem and I am disappointed. Thus my above post.

You need to consider that this could very well be a WotC issue not a LWD one. I doubt LWD isn't doing everything possible to bring 5e to both HL and RW.

 

[Gwydion]

Isn't the whole point of the Content Market "READY MADE CONTENT"? Why would I buy a product I don't want just to use Realm Works and then have to go to the trouble of changing the product?

LWD needs to realize that even though the base Realm Works product does not compete with the Virtual Tabletops . The content market sure does. And if Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds can come to an agreement with WOTC. Then it would be in LWD best interest to do so also, or lose business. Its not like they did not have a long time to make a deal with WOTC since it has taken so long for them to go live.

I already entered everything I need for LMOP into Realm Works, but I needed the maps. Once I went out and purchased the maps from Mike Schley for $10 I saw that the whole adventure was for sale on Fantasy Grounds and Roll20 for $20. And it got me thinking, LMOP was just for the first 5 levels. Do I really want to do this all over to add Princes of the Apocalypse to Realm Works?

Why did i take the time to enter this in Realm Works when for $10 more I could have just purchased the whole adventure? Now granted I would have to purchase the virtual tabletop software and get everyone to agree to stop using miniatures and use the virtual tabletop. But still.

I had hoped the content market would solve this problem for me, it appears that LWD has decided to focus on Paizo products, hence it has not solved my problem and I am disappointed. Thus my above post.

I hear you on this and FYI, I actually own both Fantasy Grounds and Realmworks. I went a little crazy and I have POTA hard copy, I purchased the FG copy when it was on sale and I purchased the individual maps from Schley. I loaded everything manually into Realmworks. Ton of copying and pasting and uploading maps from my purchases from Schley. Works great as the players love the ability to look at everything when we are offline given this is such a long campaign. However, you all can do the math. It was a big investment for me for one campaign!

I really want to keep using realmworks for my larger campaigns in conjunction with fantasy grounds. Just need to think about the cost/benefit.

 

[BJ]

Good morning everyone (or whatever time of day it is where you call home)!

We would love to be able to set all the rules for purchasing and content. But we can only do what we can within the constraints of our licensing agreements and team size.

We absolutely want to see more 5E in the Content Market. I publish and play 5E myself so I'm certainly keen on it, and I know everyone else is too! We will have 5E, it will just take a bit more time. As for official WOTC content, that may be a thing of the far future but brace yourselves for the cost if it is.

Our initial focus with 5E will be on third party publishers, and as someone said there is a LOT of awesome 3PP content out there!

You can absolutely help make 5E a higher priority for future waves of content! Do you know what type of 5E material you want? Go vote for it! Right now 5th Edition has only received 29% of votes for content. Don't forget to share the survey with other Realm Works friends so they have an opportunity to have their voice heard as well. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CVCC5XN

 

[Gwydion]

Good morning everyone (or whatever time of day it is where you call home)!

We would love to be able to set all the rules for purchasing and content. But we can only do what we can within the constraints of our licensing agreements and team size.

We absolutely want to see more 5E in the Content Market. I publish and play 5E myself so I'm certainly keen on it, and I know everyone else is too! We will have 5E, it will just take a bit more time. As for official WOTC content, that may be a thing of the far future but brace yourselves for the cost if it is.

Our initial focus with 5E will be on third party publishers, and as someone said there is a LOT of awesome 3PP content out there!

You can absolutely help make 5E a higher priority for future waves of content! Do you know what type of 5E material you want? Go vote for it! Right now 5th Edition has only received 29% of votes for content. Don't forget to share the survey with other Realm Works friends so they have an opportunity to have their voice heard as well. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CVCC5XN

Thanks, BJ! Yep, I cast my vote early this morning. Appreciate you reaching out to us all to ask what we are most interested in.

 

[BJ]

Thanks, BJ! Yep, I cast my vote early this morning. Appreciate you reaching out to us all to ask what we are most interested in.

Thank you for voting!

 

[Jay_NOLA]

Are the images going to be just usable for Realm Works? Are they Royalty free ones? $5 for 10 images is high if they are not going to be Royalty free and usable only in Realm Works. You can go buy royalty free images for about that price or maybe a little bit more on several sites.

I don't play Pathfinder so the content market has nothing of interest to me currently.

Also, how are art/map packs going to be submitted to the Content Market?

 

[daplunk]

This is the only reason I would buy the pictures... If they can't be reused in future commercial content I would sooner just cut and paste from Google...

 

[Lkj]

. . . As for official WOTC content, that may be a thing of the far future but brace yourselves for the cost if it is . . .

So, the high cost wouldn't surprise me, given how other licensees have had to price the WotC data. But the 'may be a thing of the far future' is disappointing. Here's hoping you're being coy.

AD

P.S. And I did go and take the survey

 

[Silveras]

This is the only reason I would buy the pictures... If they can't be reused in future commercial content I would sooner just cut and paste from Google...

Just like any content you purchase from the Content Market, I would expect that the rights for commercial use remain with the originator. Purchases would be for private use only. I would be very surprised if the right to use images in commercial products was included.

 

[Farling]

This is the only reason I would buy the pictures... If they can't be reused in future commercial content I would sooner just cut and paste from Google...

Assuming that you can prove that all the pictures you cut and pasted from Google have given you permission to sell them ;-)

 

[Mystic Lemur]

The reason she said "far future" wasn't to be coy. WotC very likely doesn't see this format as a priority for them. They have always been behind the times when it comes to digital distribution.

 

[daplunk]

Assuming that you can prove that all the pictures you cut and pasted from Google have given you permission to sell them ;-)

Sorry my point here is, if they can't be used for commercial reasons I have no reason to buy them in the first place. If things I'm going to use personally I have Google.

The reason I would go out of my way to buy pictures is for me to use them in commercial products. Even if its just free content provided to the community.

I wouldn't use Google Pics in commercial products unless I knew they were in the public domain.

 

[Lanmalchior]

I've been buying WOTC product since back when it was TSR and own hundreds of their books. I probably owned 85-90% of their product up through 3.5 and since we started gaming again I'm back in on buying all the 5th edition stuff.

That WOTC has not found a way to come in on this or done so in an affordable way is really disappointing. I'd gladly pay SRP on hard cover WOTC product I already own just to save myself the time and hassle of taking my own copies and entering them myself. I actually started to enter some stuff and stopped as I was hoping I could just pay $50 for a book and be done with it. If they aren't available right off I'll just go and putting it in myself and move on. If it comes out at a later date it stinks for LWD, but I'm not going to buy it if I've already put that time in. LWD loses out, WOTC loses out and I'm going to save money, but lose out on time.

I get that WOTC or any company needs to make money on the games they put out, but we are the engine that drives their business and supporting us helps them. If I'm running a game and a new player item comes out I know six copies of that item will be sold just because I'm running a game. We are the heart of what makes the whole industry money. When we are running games new miniatures, dice, paint, game books, dice bags, software, even music, etc. gets sold. In an age where our pen and paper experience is competing with console games that have tens of millions of dollars spent on them and Marvel is making amazingly eye catching content with great stories too, I'd hope we would get more love. The easier and more engaging we can make the experience the more players who will come to the table and stick around.

WOTC and others are you listening? We are the heart of the game, help us help you.

 

[gaffneyks]

The reason she said "far future" wasn't to be coy. WotC very likely doesn't see this format as a priority for them. They have always been behind the times when it comes to digital distribution.

Which is strange as they seem to have totally embraced the Virtual Tabletop companies(or at least Fantasy Grounds and Roll20). It just seems strange and disappointing that they and LWD cannot come to an agreement. Of course LWD seems to embrace having someone else do the data entry part of their products(example Army Builder data files or Hero Lab for 5e community pack) maybe that was a sticking point.

I've been buying WOTC product since back when it was TSR and own hundreds of their books. I probably owned 85-90% of their product up through 3.5 and since we started gaming again I'm back in on buying all the 5th edition stuff.

That WOTC has not found a way to come in on this or done so in an affordable way is really disappointing. I'd gladly pay SRP on hard cover WOTC product I already own just to save myself the time and hassle of taking my own copies and entering them myself. I actually started to enter some stuff and stopped as I was hoping I could just pay $50 for a book and be done with it. If they aren't available right off I'll just go and putting it in myself and move on. If it comes out at a later date it stinks for LWD, but I'm not going to buy it if I've already put that time in. LWD loses out, WOTC loses out and I'm going to save money, but lose out on time.

Pretty much same for me. Both groups I DM have players that prefer to play in the Forgotten Realms so i will either switch to another product like a VTT and move away for using Realm Works for the games I DM or enter the info myself into Realm Works and never use the content market. Either way Content Market is a disappointment for me even before it goes live. Pretty sad.