• Please note: In an effort to ensure that all of our users feel welcome on our forums, we’ve updated our forum rules. You can review the updated rules here: http://forums.wolflair.com/showthread.php?t=5528.

    If a fellow Community member is not following the forum rules, please report the post by clicking the Report button (the red yield sign on the left) located on every post. This will notify the moderators directly. If you have any questions about these new rules, please contact support@wolflair.com.

    - The Lone Wolf Development Team

Create New Topic From ...

I

ich.pdf

Well-known member
A great feature would be to be able to create a new topic (in this case a scene, quest or storyline) from a plotpoint that is automatically its associated content.

For a plot-driven approach this would be very convenient, although not super crucial. It would perfectly fit into the Realm Works "everything links together" philosophy, though.
 
If you write a text in a snippet in a scene, you can highlight a word or words and right click. Then choose Create New Custom Link for Selection. In the requester choose the appropriate plot under Plots.

Is this what you want to do?
 
No, I know that feature and the Quick Create :-)

What I mean is the other way around. You create and arrange plot points and after you're done, you right-click a plot point, choose "create new topic and associate", choose (e.g.) "scene" and the view changes to a new and empty scene topic that is named like your plot point and already associated to it. Then you could use the plot in the navigation pane and go into more detail in the scenes.

Again, not really crucial. It is possible to make a quick create and then associate the topic and change to it. It's just that I created a rather complex plot yesterday and than I ran into that "wall" that slowed me down a little. While having the very smooth content creating experience in Realm Works, it's just one "pipeline" that isn't there although it should be ^^
 
This has already been added internally. It will be included the forthcoming big release. :)
 
I'm actually not sure what Rob is talking about for this "upcoming" feature. I'll have to talk with him!

But as for what's currently available, have you tried the following?

1) Create your plot diagram with plot points linked together (no associated topics yet)
2) Right click a plot point
3) Choose Associate Contents with Plot Point
4) In the window that appears, click the + button in the appropriate grouping to add a new topic. e.g. Events.
5) This will bring up the quick create window. Depending on how you have Realm Works configured, it might ask you to pick a category first or it might just give you the quick create window directly. By default, it asks which category in the Events family you want (e.g. Scene)
6) Enter a name. Optionally expand the "advanced" area of the window for more options to set things like container, tags, and alternate names
7) Click Create

So this should get you what you want without having to first use quick create to create the topic and THEN right click to associate now that it's been created. As a bonus, you are not limited to just topics with this approach, as you can make subplots this way as well.

I think the only difference between the workflow I outlined above and the one you requested are that instead of there directly being a menu option "Create and associate" you first have to click "Associate" and then one of the relevant + buttons. We could eliminate one click here by adding the menu option.
 
FWIW: In 209, the (+) buttons bring up the (no longer) standard Create-in-Family window, not Quick Create. It's the same as if you'd clicked the same button in a Topic/Article view.

It doesn't change the fact that you can create a Topic/Article and Associate it in one step, though. :)
 
Last edited:
I discussed with Rob. He had looked in the wrong place while tired and thought a feature was still pending that in reality has already been delivered. So the good news is there's nothing to wait for, because it's already "in".

Rob also pointed out to me that in addition to clicking the + buttons in that window, you can also use the tools menu to launch Quick Create directly (or use the Ctrl+Q shortcut) without leaving the Associate window. Just use whichever you find more natural I suppose.

Parody said:
FWIW: In 209, the (+) buttons bring up the (no longer) standard Create-in-Family window, not Quick Create. It's the same as if you'd clicked the same button in a Topic/Article view.

It doesn't change the fact that you can create a Topic/Article and Associate it in one step, though. :)
Click to expand...

Sorry, I should have been more specific. It brings up the Create In Family window, and THEN the Quick create window.
 
thx Joe, I was indeed ignorant of that little + and did the Quick create solution instead.

However, as Realm Works seems to be meant to be the ultra smooth and accessible content creating experience, think about this work flow:

You design a plot and move it to the navigation pane. Then you hit a plot point and automatically create a new scene associated to it. Then you go in detail, jump to another plot point, creating the topic in an instant, work there, jump back, jump to another and so forth - without ever leaving the current view of plot -> navigation pane and respective scene -> content pane.

Please, first things first, this is a very minor request :) I just figured that it would be a nice way to ease things even more. I am totally ok with the current approach.
 
ich.pdf said:
thx Joe, I was indeed ignorant of that little + and did the Quick create solution instead.

However, as Realm Works seems to be meant to be the ultra smooth and accessible content creating experience, think about this work flow:

You design a plot and move it to the navigation pane. Then you hit a plot point and automatically create a new scene associated to it. Then you go in detail, jump to another plot point, creating the topic in an instant, work there, jump back, jump to another and so forth - without ever leaving the current view of plot -> navigation pane and respective scene -> content pane.

Please, first things first, this is a very minor request :) I just figured that it would be a nice way to ease things even more. I am totally ok with the current approach.
Click to expand...

This has definitely been on our radar, but, as you point out, it's not high on the radar. We actually included a more unified handling of plots and scenes in the feature prioritization survey last year. Based on the results, everybody generally felt the same as you regarding its priority. :)

And sorry about the confusion up-thread with my looking things up wrongly. However, I did catch the Quick Create option from the Select Topic dialog that Joe had missed, so it wasn't a complete fail on my part. :)
 
@ich.pdf

Yes I agree the workflow could be smoother. I believe one of the challenges is that the way things are currently set up under the hood, it's tricky to edit maps and plots when they are in the nav pane. I think we allow it in certain circumstances, but there are also some minor bugs associated with it. This of course could be changed, but would likely involve some significant changes to the way things are done under the hood.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top