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Warpriest bonus feats

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saldiven

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The Warpriest bonus feats are not working correctly. The classes Bonus Feat ability reads:

"Bonus Feats: At 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter, a warpriest gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement. These bonus feats must be selected from those categorized as combat feats. The warpriest must meet the prerequisites for these feats, but he treats his warpriest level as his base attack bonus (in addition to base attack bonuses gained from other classes and racial Hit Dice) for the purpose of qualifying for these feats. Finally, for the purposes of these feats, the warpriest can select feats that have a minimum number of fighter levels as a prerequisite, treating his warpriest level as his fighter level."

I am working on a 6th lvl Warpriest. Using his bonus feats under the Warpriest class tab, he should meet prerequisites calling for a BAB +6 or Fighter lvl 6. However, Hero Lab is showing that these prerequisites are not met.
 
When you are adding a bonus feat above the feat description the following text is mentioned:

"The character treats his warpriest level as his base attack bonus for these feats (in addition to base attack bonuses gained from other classes and racial hit dice) and treats his warpriest level as his fighter for these feats. This is not yet implemented."

This has been brought up a couple of times before on the forum and it seems as the software currently is, it is hard for them to incorporate an implementation for it. As such they also haven't given an estimated time for it yet.
 
Yeah, it's a known issue, sorry. I'm afraid you'll just have to ignore the validation errors for this.
 
heinrich_krebs said:
Would be great, if it was fixed, though.
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This is a large fundamental change to how the HL software Binary program works. Its NOT something that can currently be done in the scripting software. This means its left in the hands of "one" person at LW. That person has allot already on his plate and something like this is going to be low priority.

Many other changes to the binary program are really way more important than this issue. This is also why the communities Path of War maneuvers have the exact same issue.

I would expect a long time before this gets changed....
 
I find this response problematic. As a paying customer with a considerable amount invested in Hero Lab, I'd like to know if LWD is going to be providing this half-hearted level of support for Pathfinder going forward. This isn't some free, open source option like PCGen which is completely reliant on volunteers.

If there is 'one person' who can resolve this, hire an additional developer. It is Business 101. Otherwise please be honest about the level of support you are providing your customers before taking their money.

Thank you.
 
Ehrim said:
I find this response problematic. As a paying customer with a considerable amount invested in Hero Lab, I'd like to know if LWD is going to be providing this half-hearted level of support for Pathfinder going forward. This isn't some free, open source option like PCGen which is completely reliant on volunteers.

If there is 'one person' who can resolve this, hire an additional developer. It is Business 101. Otherwise please be honest about the level of support you are providing your customers before taking their money.

Thank you.
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HL binary version 8.4 notes:

"Added the capability to properly validate the requirements on Warpriest bonus feats (and other similar abilities). When feats are taken as Warpriest bonus feats, your base attack bonus and fighter level are counted differently than they are for normal feats. (A future version of the Pathfinder data files will be required to take advantage of these changes.)"

I would expect this feature in the Pathfinder files in the next update (Maybe December).

So it appears LW is doing a great job of supporting their products. :)
 
ShadowChemosh said:
HL binary version 8.4 notes:

"Added the capability to properly validate the requirements on Warpriest bonus feats (and other similar abilities). When feats are taken as Warpriest bonus feats, your base attack bonus and fighter level are counted differently than they are for normal feats. (A future version of the Pathfinder data files will be required to take advantage of these changes.)"

I would expect this feature in the Pathfinder files in the next update (Maybe December).

So it appears LW is doing a great job of supporting their products. :)
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They need to hire you or someone like you. Seriously. Not for tech support, but for communications. They may do a great job of supporting their products, but their weakness is with communication, perception, and customer relations.

Aaron's response is the type I would expect from a non-staffer, and your more detailed and more customer-oriented response is the kind that we should expect from a staffer.
 
ShadowChemosh said:
So it appears LW is doing a great job of supporting their products. :)
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The Advanced Class Guide was released August 2014. I'm not sure how 3+ years to fully support this book is 'doing a great job supporting their products' when it MIGHT be fixed next month. (it might not).

I am going to have a really hard time shelling out additional dollars when LWD isn't properly supporting the underlying content. Right now Hero Lab is $35, it was $30 when i bought it while the dataset for the Advanced Class Guide was another $10.

When called on it the response is 'you'll just have to ignore the error'. As a business, LWD needs to decided if they want customers to keep coming back. Having tried a number of competing products over the past 10+ years, I've always been a big fan of Hero Lab. With costs increasing the support lacking, as well as some worry I have about their model for Hero Lab Online - I worry that I'm going to have to seriously consider alternatives.
 
Ehrim said:
The Advanced Class Guide was released August 2014. I'm not sure how 3+ years to fully support this book is 'doing a great job supporting their products' when it MIGHT be fixed next month. (it might not).

I am going to have a really hard time shelling out additional dollars when LWD isn't properly supporting the underlying content. Right now Hero Lab is $35, it was $30 when i bought it while the dataset for the Advanced Class Guide was another $10.

When called on it the response is 'you'll just have to ignore the error'. As a business, LWD needs to decided if they want customers to keep coming back. Having tried a number of competing products over the past 10+ years, I've always been a big fan of Hero Lab. With costs increasing the support lacking, as well as some worry I have about their model for Hero Lab Online - I worry that I'm going to have to seriously consider alternatives.
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You need to stop casting aspersions. The 3+ years comment is bullshit. LW recently decided to change how they handle class based bonus feats and how prereqs are validated, due to the growing complexity of the issue. The error you are experiencing just started in the most current update. LW is aware of the issue and is working on a solution (AKA its a known issue). However LW normally release once a month updates which include fixes like this. This is not an Oh my god, fix it now issue. You are just getting a few validation messages, LW did not give an exact ETA because like any person in IT they understand that users can be dicks, and if they quote a time frame and its one second longer they will get more crap than not giving an ETA at all. The LW staff is also taking care of a lot of different issues as fallout of this update (Just ask ShadowChemosh about the needed changes in the Community Package).

As for your comment about HLO they are attempting to take Starfinder and implement multiple requested features along with a new system. They are not going to do anything with HL Classic, anything like what your suggesting would put them out of business as it would drive a lot of users away. As for price increases its the nature of the beast. You will have one of several models that a company follows: everyone pays a monthly fee for access to everything, you pay a la carte for what you need when you need it and prices adjust over time, or you have forced upgrade points and charge for the upgrade those choosing to not upgrade have their service discontinued. I'm not going to go into a lecture on business income strategies and maintained cash flow for operations, but that's how the real world works.

Making snide and rude comments insulting the small dev team is uncalled for. The standard disclaimer for any pathfinder character generator applies here too: double check everything, no character generator is 100% correct. It's imperative that you understand the rules and mechanics of the game in order to run your character.
 
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I certainly hope you don't speak for the company with your needless coarse language.

As far as this being an issue that started 'in the most recent update' - I submitted a similar 'bug report' via email in July and unless I'm reading this wrong this thread was started nearly a year ago. The release date for the source material is a matter of record, so I'll let that stand.

Also - I haven't insulted anyone. I simply want to know if I should take my gaming dollars elsewhere.

Finally - you most likely meant 'aspersions', not 'aspirations' in your first sentence.
 
Ehrim said:
I certainly hope you don't speak for the company with your needless coarse language.

As far as this being an issue that started 'in the most recent update' - I submitted a similar 'bug report' via email in July and unless I'm reading this wrong this thread was started nearly a year ago. The release date for the source material is a matter of record, so I'll let that stand.

Also - I haven't insulted anyone. I simply want to know if I should take my gaming dollars elsewhere.

Finally - you most likely meant 'aspersions', not 'aspirations' in your first sentence.
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No one that has responded to you is an employee of LW. They are community members that pay for HL just like you do.

The issue is going to get fixed very soon. Its a VERY VERY minor issue in the list of issues and future to-do lists. Its also an issue that is super easy to work around hence the reason its been listed as a low priority.

For small companies that do not have the resources of EverNote or Microsoft they must do this thing called prioritizing the issues. It means if an issue has a work around and only affects a small number of people it will be listed as a LOW priority issue. Ones that affect many people or have NO work around are fixed first.

If you purchased HL in the last 60 days you are free to ask for your money back. If you decide to never spend money on LW stuff again that is of course your god given right to do that. But small issues are always going to take a long time (yes this often means years) to be fixed.
 
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I bought Hero Lab in 2011 so I doubt I will receive a refund. I posted a single, simple question to this forum and it certainly wasn't screaming. (I can't say the same about the responses I have received). I don't have Facebook at all, so I'm not sure how that is relevant.

I will still question after *years* why the warpriest isn't properly supported (the feats aren't awarded correctly, the weapon training feature doesn't seem to be properly allocated for the arsenal chaplain archetype as another example).
 
ErinRigh said:
Yes, you are insulting, take your dollar elsewhere, trust me you won't be missed
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With due respect, if you're not an LWD staffer or spokesman, you probably shouldn't be engaging in customer relations (in this case shooing one away and telling them they won't be missed).
 
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