Vostroyan question

[Felix_Tredecim]

Greetings!

The Vostroyan information in WD316 contains pictures of a 2000pt army on page 52. This pictured army composition fails the force organization requirements enforced by the current army builder software.

Pictured in the Troops section is a single Command Squad and six Infantry Squads (a single Infantry Platoon). Army builder correctly enforces the minimum two Infantry Platoon troop requirement in the force organization chart. So the WD316 pictured Vostroyan Army fails the force organization requirements currently employed by Army Builder.

Is there anything that can be done so that Army Builder will allow the Vostroyan Firstborn army pictured in WD316?

Thanks!

 

[Ghaz]

Have you read your codex? Because if you had, it should be obvious what you need to do to fill the two required Troops choices on the Force Organization chart.

And the army presented in WD316 validates perfectly fine if you don't leave out some of the units.

 

[Felix_Tredecim]

Yes, I understand the Force Organization requirements of two troops. That the Vostroyan Army pictured in WD316 only has a single Infantry Platoon is the topic of my inquiry (also would be the two heavy weapon teams in the Command Squad of the Heavy Weapons Platoon).

In WD316 on page 52 and 53 is pictured the following army

- HQ Command Platoon [335] with
- Command Squad, Heroic Senior Officer (70), medic (+5), Standard Bearer (+5), and a transport (+70); Carapace Armor (+20) [[170]]
- Mortar Support Squad [[80]]
- Special Weapons Support Squad (35) with three snipers (+30); Carapace Armor (+20) [[85]]

- Infantry Platoon [665] with
- Command Squad, Junior Officer (40), two flamer upgrades (+12), grenade launcher (+8 ), and a plasma gun (+10), and a transport (+70); Carapace Armor (+20) [[160]]
- Infantry Squad (60) with plasma gun (+10) and heavy bolter (+10); Carapace Armor (+20) [[100]]
- Infantry Squad (60) with flamer (+6) and mortar team(+10); Carapace Armor (+20) [[96]]
- Infantry Squad (60) with grenade launcher (+8 ) and lascannon team(+25); Carapace Armor (+20) [[113]]
- Infantry Squad (60) with plasma gun (+10) and heavy bolter (+10); Carapace Armor (+20) [[100]]
- Infantry Squad (60) with flamer (+6) and heavy bolter (+10); Carapace Armor (+20) [[96]]

- Heavy Weapons Platoon [410] with
- Command Squad, Junior Officer (40), two heavy bolter teams (+20); Carapace Armor (+20) [[80]] {note the non-codex two heavy weapon choice}
- Fire Support Squad (35) with three heavy bolters (+45); Carapace Armor (+20) [[100]]
- Mortar Support Squad; Carapace Armor (+20) [[100]]
- Anti-tank Support Squad (35) with three lascannons (+75); Carapace Armor (+20) [[130]]

- Basilisk [100]

- Leman Russ Battle Tank (140) with hull mounted heavy bolter (+5) and sponson heavy bolters (+10) [[155]]

Rough points [335+665+410+100+155] = 1655 (I did not add the optional Sharpshooter and Hardened Fighters costs per applied unit, or indirect fire for the Basilisk, or other minor options which could easily make up the 345 remaining points).

So again I ask, "Is there anything that can be done so that Army Builder will allow the Vostroyan Firstborn army pictured in WD316? "

Thanks again!!

 

[harkan]

no sorry - we go by the codexs and rule books not lists published in WD bat reps or new release articles

thanks

 

[Ghaz]

- Infantry Platoon [665] with
- Command Squad, Junior Officer (40), two flamer upgrades (+12), grenade launcher (+8 ), and a plasma gun (+10), and a transport (+70); Carapace Armor (+20) [[160]]

Obviously you don't understand the Force Organization of the Imperial Guard. Try actually reading your codex, especially when the Chimera you're referring to isn't even pictured with the Command Squad. Read you codex again and look at your other Troops options that are allowed a Chimera. Considering that the Imperial Guard only has three Troops options it's not that hard to figure out.

Also if you were to read your codex, you'd find out why the two heavy weapons in the Heavy Weapons Platoon Command Squad are legal as well.

So once again, it is a 100% legal force and can indeed be created in Army Builder without any validation errors. You just need to stop and actually read your codex.

 

[Felix_Tredecim]

I'm simply asking for a little help.

There is a Chimera pictured in the troop box. I knew it could not be part of the Infantry squads, so I incorrectly assumed it was part of the command squad - my mistake. This then, if it is not part of the Infantry Platoon command squad, would mean there is an Armoured Fist squad troop selection. Great, thanks!

Would it be possible for you to explain how the Heavy Weapons Platoon command squad can have two heavy bolter teams? I am not able to make this type of selection with Army Builder.

 

[Felix_Tredecim]

The Heavy Support Platoon description on IG Codex page 48 refers me to the Command Squad entry on page 38. The Command Squad description says that "two guardsmen may form a single heavy weapon crew". What am i missing?

 

[Ghaz]

I'm simply asking for a little help.

No. You were wanting us to change the datafiles to conform with your misunderstanding of the rules. You didn't ask why you weren't getting a legal army with the datafiles, you simply assumed that you were correct and the datafiles needed to be changed.

There is a Chimera pictured in the troop box. I knew it could not be part of the Infantry squads, so I incorrectly assumed it was part of the command squad - my mistake. This then, if it is not part of the Infantry Platoon command squad, would mean there is an Armoured Fist squad troop selection.

Very good. It should have been clear that the squad was an Armoured Fist Squad since it was pictured with a Chimera. Why would it have been a part of the Command Squad if it wasn't pictured with them?

You also failed to take into account that an Infantry Platoon can only have five full Infantry Squads, not six. That also should have tipped you off that you were wrong.

The Heavy Support Platoon description on IG Codex page 48 refers me to the Command Squad entry on page 38. The Command Squad description says that "two guardsmen may form a single heavy weapon crew". What am i missing?

The Command Squad has five models including the Junior Officer. Where are the other four Guardsmen in the Command Squad in that picture?

 

[Felix_Tredecim]

In the picture, there are two heavy bolter crews next to the Junior Officer. It would seem that these are the four guardsmen, but by my reading of the codex entry for the command squad, there can only be one heavy weapon crew. So how is there two?

 

[Felix_Tredecim]

I'm simply asking for a little help.

No. You were wanting us to change the datafiles to conform with your misunderstanding of the rules. You didn't ask why you weren't getting a legal army with the datafiles, you simply assumed that you were correct and the datafiles needed to be changed.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I failed to convey my intent. I am not asking for the datafiles to change. I am only trying to understand how to configure my Vostroyans in a manner that is represented in the WD316 issue. I do not believe my failure to do this is related to the datafiles, rather, it is more likely my inability to use the Army Builder software properly, and, as you pointed out, my overlooking information in the codex. I really appreciate your input and guidance here.

If it should be that the Vostroyan army pictured in the WD issue can not be represented by Army Builder, thats ok; I am not asking for the datafiles to be changed in this regard.

Thanks again for your assistance!

 

[Ghaz]

After a closer look at the pic, it seems that GW has once again featured an illegal army in the pages of White Dwarf by adding an illegal heavy weapon to the Heavy Weapons Platoon. Nonetheless, as Harkan has already stated, the files go by the rules. If a picture or army is featured in White Dwarf or online is illegal acording to the rules then that does not change it's legality. It is still illegal and you will get a validation error if you try to recreate the list with AB.

 

[Felix_Tredecim]

Thanks again for your time, effort, and patience.