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Ultimate Campaign ... any ETA ?
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SeeleyOne,
You've gotta remember that kingdoms change via decisions and dice rolls. Each player is ideally in charge of at least one dice roll for their kingdom. I used the kingdom builder when it was in the Kingmaker modules. It would be a pain updating realm works all the time with updates similar to how settlements are done. It would be infinitely simpler to have hero lab manage the kingdom, output the data to a file, and import said file into RW similar to the way characters are done in RW. RW and Hero Lab used together will make things easier on everyone. Also keep in mind that RW is more a GM tool than player tool. It's there to help those running the games, not so much for players to add data to a campaign.
You've gotta remember that kingdoms change via decisions and dice rolls. Each player is ideally in charge of at least one dice roll for their kingdom. I used the kingdom builder when it was in the Kingmaker modules. It would be a pain updating realm works all the time with updates similar to how settlements are done. It would be infinitely simpler to have hero lab manage the kingdom, output the data to a file, and import said file into RW similar to the way characters are done in RW. RW and Hero Lab used together will make things easier on everyone. Also keep in mind that RW is more a GM tool than player tool. It's there to help those running the games, not so much for players to add data to a campaign.
I had never played it, I only skimmed it. What I looked at seemed to reference different characters, like if you have a character with this attribute in this Public Official slot. It just seemed like a campaign setting thing, which is more of a RW thing. I guess I tend to see the HL stuff as for PCs and for statting the monsters, not for making the setting. Then again, it could be considered a NPC or "monster" in itself, so I guess it is a valid choice, not to mention that it is part of the Ultimate Campaign package for HL. 
The thing about the Kingdom sheet is that it doesn't stay static, kingdoms grow / decline based on player decisions and random events generated throughout the process, many of the modifiers change to reflect this. Because it changes so much, it's better as a hero lab sheet rather than RW. Kingmaker introduced it, and for the most part it was a persistent part of the modules. Players built their kingdom, and dealt with the consequences for better or worse. It's not like generating a town in the game mastery guide, where the stat block isn't likely to undergo significant changes over time. The sheet in question can have very significant changes from one week to the next.
Players are in charge of specific aspects of public office, and contribute their skill mods to the dice pool of a kingdom, but there are a lot of d20 rolls in Kingdom building, some of which can have drastic consequences to the modifiers on the sheet. I wish it was a simple process, but Paizo really put a lot of depth into Kingdom building in this rpg.
Players are in charge of specific aspects of public office, and contribute their skill mods to the dice pool of a kingdom, but there are a lot of d20 rolls in Kingdom building, some of which can have drastic consequences to the modifiers on the sheet. I wish it was a simple process, but Paizo really put a lot of depth into Kingdom building in this rpg.
ChrisRevocateur
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One word: Dropbox.
My group has used it for over 6 months now to share our kingdom building and income/expense excel sheets. Once you're done making changes, just save it, and everyone gets the updated version saved to their dropbox as well.
ChrisRevocateur
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SeelyOne, I don't know how long you've been playing RPG's, but if you've been playing since before the 2000's, the kingdom building rules are extremely similar to the old kingdom rules from the 2nd Edition AD&D campaign setting Birthright.
As has been mentioned several times, this is not a quick fix. The have to rebuild the entire framework of the program to be able to do some of the stuff that needs to be done for this to work.
Plus, it has to be done in a way that is not going to break all the stuff built by people that are not LW (3PP and GMs house rules).
All of this is not easy. It is not just a click of the mouse. It is a LOT of work. So no. It will not be a quick fix.
Jacook,
Normally when Lone Wolf Development has information to announce regarding progress on a project, they do so via the monthly newsletter.
http://wolflair.com/index.php?context=newsletter
When they have something to report, it will likely show up here. You need to keep in mind that this company has a handful of people working on implementing these mechanics, and sometimes it is hard to find a compromise that makes everyone happy when it comes to implementing things. On top of that the hours spent building and compiling code, debugging the code, and quality control testing done can take a while. I know it can be frustrating to wait, but the wait will be worth it in the end.
The Atari corporation once rushed a project in the 1980's known to most of us as E.T. the video game. They pushed the game out to retailers with a six week development time so they could maximize sales for the holiday season. The following year, the game generated negative revenue from all the returns people made (Which inadvertently caused retailers to put an "All Sales Final on open software" clause on receipts later on). This caused the company to go bankrupt. They paid a lot of money for the licensing rights to do the game, released the worst game in the history of video games, and lost everything in the process when it failed to turn a profit. Most companies today understand that failure and won't rush a product out.
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I have seen several companies this year rush things out the door, and their company is suffering for it. They do still do it
Smart ones learn from history Umarian. Many companies do make mistakes, and that boils down to poor management. The economy isn't doing great, so even larger companies can't afford to take a hit to their revenue right now. Lone Wolf goes through extensive Quality Controls to ensure a solid product. It does result in delays at times, but you can never be too cautious. Rob does a good job running his company. I can't say the same for the presidents of Sega or CapCom (CapCom especially since they're on the brink of bankruptcy right now). Lone Wolf does a damn good job on the work considering it is a small company, and the fact its still here in this economy is a testament to its products. (Unlike Street Fighter IV which came about 15 years too late...)
As I said, they'll let us know in the newsletter when they have info to report on their progress. It's a slow process with Bestiary 4 in the wings and Shadowrun 5 in development... Unfortunately Ultimate Campaign isn't the only major project on the table right now. They've also got Fate Core in the works as well. That's a lot of coding spread thin among the programmers on the team. Some things take a while to implement. The Monster Creation rules were only recently added, despite Bestiary 1 being out for nearly 5 years now. Its not easy to work with source code.