So Many Choices - Can I get a Filter?

[EricV]

When leveling up it seems like I always spend forever working through the feats, spells, extracts, traits (on creation), etc, etc. Yeah, I could make a master character plan ahead of time and that would help, and yeah I can use the filter in the search box, but that is very simplistic and sometimes returns too much or not enough (and you have to know what it's called or a key word in the text anyway) and selecting 'only valid' is no good because there's stuff that you want to see for future levels or might be able to qualify for if you tweak abilities or stats.

So I end up leaving everything on and scrolling through the whole list every time.

It would be a lot easier if every entry had a check box and then options on view drop down to say 'view selected' and 'hide selected'.

I realize there's probably a significant amount of coding for that, but it would be a brilliant enhancement. Especially for folks like me that are relatively new PF players and haven't yet learned all the feats (which may not even be possible with constant new content).

So what are the chances? - EricV

 

[Fuzzy]

The search isn't just looking in the name of the item, but the entire descriptive text as well. Therefore you don't really need to know the name of the feat you are searching for, just a key word in it's description (This includes the prerequisites - so you can search for Power Attack, and essentially see everything that has Power Attack as a prerequisite).

 

[EricV]

The search isn't just looking in the name of the item, but the entire descriptive text as well. Therefore you don't really need to know the name of the feat you are searching for, just a key word in it's description (This includes the prerequisites - so you can search for Power Attack, and essentially see everything that has Power Attack as a prerequisite).

Right, I get that. I use that function and it generally works when I want to find something specific. But that's not the problem.

The problem is when I need to do a comparison of several unrelated feats (or traits, or spells, etc). It can't be done easily because there are so many.

Toggling off those I'm not interested in or, conversely, toggling on just the ones I am interested in, would be a huge benefit.

EricV

 

[Soluzar]

Yeah this is also one of my pet peeves with Hero Lab. They even list everything by category (feats by feat type, gear by gear type, and items by slot). It's either stupidity or lazyness that explains why this hasn't been fixed yet. I know I'm being harsh but I know this has been brought up quite a bit. HOW ABOUT FIXING IT?

 

[Fuzzy]

Yeah this is also one of my pet peeves with Hero Lab. They even list everything by category (feats by feat type, gear by gear type, and items by slot). It's either stupidity or lazyness that explains why this hasn't been fixed yet. I know I'm being harsh but I know this has been brought up quite a bit. HOW ABOUT FIXING IT?

I think that's a pretty harsh assessment - and I don't think anything is 'broken' to require a rant about it needing to be fixed. There is a list - and said list allows narrowing down by a free form text field.

 

[ShadowChemosh]

Yeah this is also one of my pet peeves with Hero Lab. They even list everything by category (feats by feat type, gear by gear type, and items by slot). It's either stupidity or lazyness that explains why this hasn't been fixed yet. I know I'm being harsh but I know this has been brought up quite a bit. HOW ABOUT FIXING IT?

I am not even following what should be fixed? The OP is talking about adding a whole new feature and your saying fix it. Two very different things.

What is broke and needs to be fixed?

 

[Kaleb]

Tim perhaps on feats a fliter could be added that seperated feats in to their natural catagories. General, combat, metamagic etc. the smae in spells group spells by arcane level school.

 

[Portilis]

Tim perhaps on feats a fliter could be added that seperated feats in to their natural catagories. General, combat, metamagic etc. the smae in spells group spells by arcane level school.

A filter option to only show one category I could see, but listing the entire set by category wouldn't work very well as some fall in multiple categories...

 

[Aldaron]

Tim perhaps on feats a fliter could be added that seperated feats in to their natural catagories. General, combat, metamagic etc. the smae in spells group spells by arcane level school.

You mean like this?

 

[Aldaron]

Yeah this is also one of my pet peeves with Hero Lab. They even list everything by category (feats by feat type, gear by gear type, and items by slot). It's either stupidity or lazyness that explains why this hasn't been fixed yet. I know I'm being harsh but I know this has been brought up quite a bit. HOW ABOUT FIXING IT?

You're not being harsh; you're attacking the developers over "not fixing" something which is already there if you know how to use the software.

You want a list of combat feats? Metamagic feats?

 

[Aldaron]

A filter option to only show one category I could see, but listing the entire set by category wouldn't work very well as some fall in multiple categories...

I'm guessing he's after a checkbox filter where you could select only specific types of feats - combat, metamagic, story, etc.

The thing is that the search box already does that. If you want only combat and teamwork feats, you type "Category: combat, teamwork" into the search box, for example. I'm not sure what some sort of checkbox function would add, unless you wanted to add only metamagic and combat feats, for example...and I can't see why you'd want that in the first place.

EricV mentioned that it would be nice to not have a whole pile of unwanted feats cluttering up the display, but I'm not sure what he meant. If there are feats from splatbooks and the like getting in the way, you can just switch off the content of these splatbooks in the Configuration setting. If you want the other splatbook stuff, but not the feats, then I can't see the benefit of the checkbox to eliminate unwanted ones...it seems like double-dipping. You already have the list in front of you - what's the point of having another list to go through and remove the unwanted feats and then go back to the "trimmed" list.

If you're going to have to go through a list of feats and remove the ones you don't want, what's the difference between that and going through the list of feats and ignoring the ones you don't want?

At best, I could see the use of a ShadowChemosh adjustment allowing you to hide specific feats from the list, so that you could, for example, eliminate "Weapon Focus" if you decided you didn't use it in your campaign. But I don't see why this would need to be a part of the software's core programming: that's moving into the territory of house rules and the like, and there is no software that can take into account everyone's personal house rules.

 

[ShadowChemosh]

At best, I could see the use of a ShadowChemosh adjustment allowing you to hide specific feats from the list, so that you could, for example, eliminate "Weapon Focus" if you decided you didn't use it in your campaign. But I don't see why this would need to be a part of the software's core programming: that's moving into the territory of house rules and the like, and there is no software that can take into account everyone's personal house rules.

In this case it would be best to use the Editor and create your own check box in the Configure Your Hero window. When it is on you would setup those "unwanted/not allowed" feats under the *PRECLUDE tab.

In example in my houserules data package when you turn on Shadow d20 the Summoner class is hidden and the Leadership feat is hidden. In those cases the "Editor" really works out best and that really does not require any special scripts.

 

[blzbob]

I think what he's asking for is so you can use multiple filters without having to get into the editor at all.

For example, maybe I want to find all combat feats that have Iron Will as a prerequisite and only see those feats.

Another example, I would like to see only the level 3 necromantic spells with verbal components only.

A third example would be if I want to search for multiple keywords that are not sequential. I can't just search for "power attack" and "intimidate" and only get the feats that have Power Attack as a prerequisite and use intimidate in some way.

I have wanted such a filter as well. I have managed to get by because I have a good enough memory that I don't really need it and I know how to search for a variety of keywords. It does get a little annoying having to jump back and forth between my lists though.