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Question about Licenses

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My license expired in December. I was trying to renew it the other
day, and enev though I didn't complete the procedure, the impression
I got from the data on the page, was that my license would be renewed
starting on the *expiration date*, instead of the renewal date. If
true, this means that if I renew it only on November, I'll have
exactly one month to use it. Is this right?

Abilio

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Sorry for taking so long to respond to this post. Between getting moved in,
dealing with all of the problems after the move, and working to get V1.4
released, I've been spread way too thin lately. Thanks for your patience.

The licensing mechanism doesn't try to distinguish whether or not a user
makes use of that license or not. The renewal mechanism works the same way.
Just like vehicle registration, the license grants access for the specified
period of time, regardless of whether the user utilizes the license or not.
The renewal process simply extends the original license for another year.
If you elect not to drive your car for 3 months, the state doesn't give you
3 months credit on your registration. If you let your vehicle registration
lapse for 3 months and then register your car again, you're still obligated
to pay for that 3 months, even if you didn't drive the car during that
time. At least, that's how it works here in California. :-)

In the software industry, there are two common models being utilized, and
we've elected to employ a third. Here's why...

The first common model is the traditional software model, wherein the
consumer has to purchase every new release separately. This requires that
the company stock up lots of new features for a single release that will
justify the consumer spending his money again. The net effect is that users
have to wait significantly longer to see the new features, plus they
typically have to spend significantly more money on the new version. From
our perspective, that's a lose/lose proposition for the consumer.

The second common model is to charge nearly the full original price for the
renewal, such as most virus protection companies do. However, this would
require more complexity in the license management mechanism (more work for
us), and it would ultimately not benefit the consumer compared to the
current model we use. Now you're probably asking "Why?"

With our model, the renewal fee is less than 30% of the original price, and
the mechanics are kept extremely simple. For someone who decides to renew
(for example) three months after the license expires, the renewal cost is
$8.75 for (effectively) nine months. The net "waste" is about $2 for the
user to renew the product for those 3 unused months. Using the model
employed by the virus protection companies, the renewal fee for Card Vault
would be $20-25 and the clock would reset based on the renewal. That's an
extra $15 (approximately) and nearly triple the current renewal price. If
you compare the $15 extra cost versus the $2 wasted expense, I'm guessing
most customers would opt for the $2.

Extrapolating this to the rather extreme example you cited, a user who
waits 11 months to renew will essentially need to renew twice to obtain a
year-plus of renewal. The net cost of that is $17.50, which is still a fair
bit lower than the $20-25 it would be if we used the model of the virus
protection companies. Based on all of this, our perspective is that our
model works in the consumer's favor, so we believe that most users will
consider it a better overall model.

Please remember also that no one is required to renew a license. The
renewal entitles the user to another year of product updates and use of the
integrated updates mechanism to get new data files. If a user chooses not
to renew, they can continue using the product and getting new data files.
The key limitations of not renewing are that the product updates aren't
available and the data file updates have to be downloaded manually via our
website and then imported. There's a link on the Help menu to go directly
to the full list of data file updates, and the Import option is accessed
from the Tools menu. So manually retrieving and importing new data files is
not a difficult task.

We keep the renewal price extremely low (compared to virtually all other
software companies) in an effort to make it easy for the user to justify
the expense. And we keep the renewal model simple to minimize any confusion
about how it works and avoid potential problems.

Our goal is to provide a quality product using a model that puts new
functionality in the hands of users more quickly and at a lower expense to
the user than the commonly used methods. Although it's a significantly
different model from what most consumers are used to, the vast majority of
our users seem to agree that it's ultimately a beneficial model for them.
Hopefully, this explanation will shed more light on our philosophy and
you'll agree that it works in the consumer's favor.

Thanks, Rob


At 07:22 AM 1/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>My license expired in December. I was trying to renew it the other
>day, and enev though I didn't complete the procedure, the impression
>I got from the data on the page, was that my license would be renewed
>starting on the *expiration date*, instead of the renewal date. If
>true, this means that if I renew it only on November, I'll have
>exactly one month to use it. Is this right?
>
>Abilio


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BTW, clarification please:

I bought the CD-ROM version of CV, so when my year runs out, I'll renew just like a normal version, right?

Well, it will run out in a few months, & I will be in the process of moving and such, and I'm not sure when I'll have the internet set up in my new place & such. So, can I allow my license to run out, & then go back & renew at a later date?


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Two things make me sorry for making you type all that:

One, I figured out *after* that email that the price for the renewal
was around 8 bucks. This made me figure out more or less that model's
what you were shooting for.

Second, upon figuring that out, I upgraded anyway, just for the
simplicity of getting the automatic datafile update check, and to
support you guys. I didn't even know that product updates were not
available going to the site like data file updates. Still, it's good
I renewed, since 1.4 just came out and all :)

Thanks for the in-depth explanation, though. Now if you'd only become
an open-source vendor ;)

Abilio


--- Rob Bowes <rob@wolflair.com> wrote:
> Sorry for taking so long to respond to this post. Between getting
> moved in,
> dealing with all of the problems after the move, and working to get
> V1.4
> released, I've been spread way too thin lately. Thanks for your
> patience.
>
> The licensing mechanism doesn't try to distinguish whether or not a
> user
> makes use of that license or not. The renewal mechanism works the
> same way.
> Just like vehicle registration, the license grants access for the
> specified
> period of time, regardless of whether the user utilizes the license
> or not.
> The renewal process simply extends the original license for another
> year.
> If you elect not to drive your car for 3 months, the state doesn't
> give you
> 3 months credit on your registration. If you let your vehicle
> registration
> lapse for 3 months and then register your car again, you're still
> obligated
> to pay for that 3 months, even if you didn't drive the car during
> that
> time. At least, that's how it works here in California. :-)
>
> In the software industry, there are two common models being
> utilized, and
> we've elected to employ a third. Here's why...
>
> The first common model is the traditional software model, wherein
> the
> consumer has to purchase every new release separately. This
> requires that
> the company stock up lots of new features for a single release that
> will
> justify the consumer spending his money again. The net effect is
> that users
> have to wait significantly longer to see the new features, plus
> they
> typically have to spend significantly more money on the new
> version. From
> our perspective, that's a lose/lose proposition for the consumer.
>
> The second common model is to charge nearly the full original price
> for the
> renewal, such as most virus protection companies do. However, this
> would
> require more complexity in the license management mechanism (more
> work for
> us), and it would ultimately not benefit the consumer compared to
> the
> current model we use. Now you're probably asking "Why?"
>
> With our model, the renewal fee is less than 30% of the original
> price, and
> the mechanics are kept extremely simple. For someone who decides to
> renew
> (for example) three months after the license expires, the renewal
> cost is
> $8.75 for (effectively) nine months. The net "waste" is about $2
> for the
> user to renew the product for those 3 unused months. Using the
> model
> employed by the virus protection companies, the renewal fee for
> Card Vault
> would be $20-25 and the clock would reset based on the renewal.
> That's an
> extra $15 (approximately) and nearly triple the current renewal
> price. If
> you compare the $15 extra cost versus the $2 wasted expense, I'm
> guessing
> most customers would opt for the $2.
>
> Extrapolating this to the rather extreme example you cited, a user
> who
> waits 11 months to renew will essentially need to renew twice to
> obtain a
> year-plus of renewal. The net cost of that is $17.50, which is
> still a fair
> bit lower than the $20-25 it would be if we used the model of the
> virus
> protection companies. Based on all of this, our perspective is that
> our
> model works in the consumer's favor, so we believe that most users
> will
> consider it a better overall model.
>
> Please remember also that no one is required to renew a license.
> The
> renewal entitles the user to another year of product updates and
> use of the
> integrated updates mechanism to get new data files. If a user
> chooses not
> to renew, they can continue using the product and getting new data
> files.
> The key limitations of not renewing are that the product updates
> aren't
> available and the data file updates have to be downloaded manually
> via our
> website and then imported. There's a link on the Help menu to go
> directly
> to the full list of data file updates, and the Import option is
> accessed
> from the Tools menu. So manually retrieving and importing new data
> files is
> not a difficult task.
>
> We keep the renewal price extremely low (compared to virtually all
> other
> software companies) in an effort to make it easy for the user to
> justify
> the expense. And we keep the renewal model simple to minimize any
> confusion
> about how it works and avoid potential problems.
>
> Our goal is to provide a quality product using a model that puts
> new
> functionality in the hands of users more quickly and at a lower
> expense to
> the user than the commonly used methods. Although it's a
> significantly
> different model from what most consumers are used to, the vast
> majority of
> our users seem to agree that it's ultimately a beneficial model for
> them.
> Hopefully, this explanation will shed more light on our philosophy
> and
> you'll agree that it works in the consumer's favor.
>
> Thanks, Rob
>
>
> At 07:22 AM 1/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:
> >My license expired in December. I was trying to renew it the other
> >day, and enev though I didn't complete the procedure, the
> impression
> >I got from the data on the page, was that my license would be
> renewed
> >starting on the *expiration date*, instead of the renewal date. If
> >true, this means that if I renew it only on November, I'll have
> >exactly one month to use it. Is this right?
> >
> >Abilio
>
>
>
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There is no practical difference between the CD and the download version of
Card Vault. So CD owners will need to renew, too (this is different from
how our older Army Builder product works).

You can definitely wait to renew until after you're all setup at the new
place. You can also renew just before the move, if you prefer. It's
entirely your call.

Thanks, Rob


At 08:24 AM 2/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>BTW, clarification please:
>
>I bought the CD-ROM version of CV, so when my year runs out, I'll renew
>just like a normal version, right?
>
>Well, it will run out in a few months, & I will be in the process of
>moving and such, and I'm not sure when I'll have the internet set up in my
>new place & such. So, can I allow my license to run out, & then go back &
>renew at a later date?


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It was worthwhile typing it, since I'm sure there were a few others out
there that were wondering the same thing. :-)

As for becoming open source, if anyone wants to give Colen and I enough
money to live on happily, I don't think either of us would oppose going
that route. Failing that, we need an income source, and that happens to be
Card Vault (and Army Builder) right now. :-)

I have yet to figure out (actually, I haven't made the time to investigate
yet) how the open source companies actually make money to pay their staff....

-Rob


At 07:20 AM 2/3/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Two things make me sorry for making you type all that:
>
>One, I figured out *after* that email that the price for the renewal
>was around 8 bucks. This made me figure out more or less that model's
>what you were shooting for.
>
>Second, upon figuring that out, I upgraded anyway, just for the
>simplicity of getting the automatic datafile update check, and to
>support you guys. I didn't even know that product updates were not
>available going to the site like data file updates. Still, it's good
>I renewed, since 1.4 just came out and all :)
>
>Thanks for the in-depth explanation, though. Now if you'd only become
>an open-source vendor ;)
>
>Abilio


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