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Polymorph Mechanics Needing Abilities

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Aaron

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We're currently exploring the idea of adding automated tracking of the character's abilities as they use polymorph spells and abilities to change form. As part of that, we're looking at what would use these mechanics, and how. Here are a list of some of the spells/abilities we're already aware of, and would use these mechanisms, can anyone think of more abilities? If so, please post them in this thread.

The List:
Special Abilities
Wild Shape and Variations (lion shaman wild shape, etc)
Change Shape racial ability

Spells
Alter Self
Animal Shapes
Polymorph
Polymorph, Greater
Shapechange
Beast Shape Series
Monstrous Physique Series
Undead Anatomy Series
Vermin Shape Series
Form of the Dragon Series
Aberrant Form Series
Elemental Body Series
Ooze Shape Series
Giant Form Series
Plant Shape Series
 
Perhaps this mechanic might be usable on a more permanent level to handle Reincarnation as well?
 
ShadowChemosh said:
Oh. You had listed alter self which is pretty similar. So back to the books.
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Alter Self's mechanical effects vary greatly depending on the form taken. Vision/Scent/Swim abilities change, +2 STR or DEX depending on size. Battle Form, on the other hand, always provides the same effect (+2 STR plus size STR effect between original size and Medium). I'll be honest, I'm not even sure what "the normal Strength adjustments for increasing in size" are.
 
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What's we'd really appreciate is if people could help us go through all the other books - you're looking for things like these, that are polymorph effects:

Magic Items
Cloak of the Manta Ray
Dragonform armors
Giant-hide armors

Special Abilities
Kineticist's Kinetic Form (& greater) wild talents
Dragon Disciple's Dragon Form ability


This is a case where you don't need any skill at coding, but you can still help out us and the rest of the Hero Lab community by helping us make sure not to miss anything.

We need people who can do a detailed search of all the Pathfinder material out there, and help us build this list.

We'll be doing a text search, looking for the spell names being mentioned in the abilities, so what we really need is to find any effects that are some type of polymorph effect, but don't mention a spell and say they work as that spell.
 
Fuzzy said:
Alter Self's mechanical effects vary greatly depending on the form taken. Vision/Scent/Swim abilities change, +2 STR or DEX depending on size. Battle Form, on the other hand, always provides the same effect (+2 STR plus size STR effect between original size and Medium). I'll be honest, I'm not even sure what "the normal Strength adjustments for increasing in size" are.
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That would be the table described as part of the Polymorph rules on page 212 of the core rulebook (so +4 Str, assuming the familiar starts out Tiny).
 
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Sorry, Aaron, definite interest here, but it's been a busy weekend and I haven't reached this point on my todo list :)
 
Aaron said:
Huh, thought there would be more interest in this. Bumping it back to the front page.
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I did searches on d20pfsrd and pretty much kept finding the same items you already had listed. You maybe waiting until this gets out for people to really look and mention those one or two "exceptions" actually.

I did find:
Cloak of the Bat

I even checked out some of the 3PP stuff and most reference the base spells like Beast Shape.
 
So for Phase II of this project I am looking for follow-on effects that apply changes to something herolab tracks when the hero is currently polymorphed. Two examples have been brought to my attention by Mathias: the Twisted Transformation Trait, and the Elemental Vigor feat. Anyone have more examples to add to the pile?
 
Aaron said:
So for Phase II of this project I am looking for follow-on effects that apply changes to something herolab tracks when the hero is currently polymorphed. Two examples have been brought to my attention by Mathias: the Twisted Transformation Trait, and the Elemental Vigor feat. Anyone have more examples to add to the pile?
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Would things like the Planar Wild Shape and Powerful Shape feats apply here?
 
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