Modifying relation qualifier

[Vargr]

It is possible to make relationships in RW. You can for instance make a relation that shows, that one NPC is the child of another NPC.

This works pretty well but is it possible to add additional relationship qualifiers?

I want to add "sibling" to the "Family relation to".

We already have "parent/child". I know I can use "Other family of", but...

Can it be done (adding a new relationship qualifier)?

Oh, and what is the difference between "child" and "Offspring off"?

(My Merriam-Webster tells me, that "offspring" means "a person's child".)


When I figure out how to do this I probably want to be able to add new "relationships" as well

 

[Silveras]

Look at the bottom of the list under Tags on the Manage tab.

Child vs. Offspring.. it may come down to how you choose to use them.. one for legitimate children and the other for illegitimate?

 

[JustinThomason]

Child vs. Offspring.. it may come down to how you choose to use them.. one for legitimate children and the other for illegitimate?

Or actual biological children versus something like a vampire's spawn...

 

[Vargr]

Well, hadn't thought of it that way - makes sense then.

Thanks.

Now, how to add a new relation qualifier?

 

[Vargr]

Look at the bottom of the list under Tags on the Manage tab.

Apparently I overlooked this the first time around.

True, you can add a relation modifier to "Comprises or Encompasses" but not to any of the others.

Unless I am missing the obvious (it has happened before...).

Of course, I could just have my siblings there (under "Comprises or Encompasses") but that is not where they ought to be.

 

[Parody]

Hmm...my first thought was that, given that the opposite icon is "Ancestor of", they may have meant it as a catch-all for a more distant relationship than direct parent/child. (Great-great-great-grandpa Mike, say.) But I was remembering it wrong; it's "Immediate Ancestor of". So bah.

The Reference Guide (p. 45) indicates they're the same as well.

 

[rob]

There are many games where blood LINEAGE is very important. So "offspring" is distinct from abopted/bastard/etc to enable that difference to be tracked. For games where lineage is a non-factor, there's no practical difference between the two.

IIRC, you can only extend the Comprises/Encompasses and General relationship groupings.

A sibling is technically someone who shares a common parent or ancestor. So explicitly stating that relationship falls under the general classification of "other family".

The parent/child, ancestor/offspring, and union relationships form the core of modeling a family tree. At this point, we've got the ability to model the family through the data, but we still need to add a bunch of features to use that data and visualize it all for the user in a clean way. That's still on the todo list.

Hope this helps!

 

[Vargr]

Thank you for all the input.

At least now I know that I am not overlooking some possibility to add a new relation qualifier (except under "Comprises or Encompasses"), so I won't spend any more time looking for that.

I will stick with Family relationship to / Other Family of for now. That works well enough.

It sounds like you, Rob, are talking about some sort of pedigree presented in a graphical interface - some time in the far future. If I understood that part right (probably reading too much into it), it sounds very interesting!


But first: Calendars!

 

[basselope]

Just want to chime in with a +1 for the addition of a Sibling option in family relationships.

 

[MNBlockHead]

Rather than ask for piecemeal modification, I would just like the ability to customize and setup relationships as I see fit. I married into a Chinese family, have lived in Taiwan and had to get added to a "household record" there, and have learned a fair bit of the language. In Chinese, especially in more formal usages, there are completely different terms for relatives on the paternal versus maternal sides. And, in Taiwan at least, it is not just a matter of culture, but of legal import as well. It determines whose household record you go on, which in term is used to determine local residency for voting, etc.

Just like some of us go a bit crazy with our calendars and politics in our game worlds, I can just imagine the kinds of fun we could get into with relationships. What would happen with, say, an intelligent race of plants who reproduce based on some intermediary pollinators? Or an advanced species that gave up random sexual production for cloning based on traits some governing body ensures perpetuation of? Hive colonies with only one breeding "queen"? And there are guaranteed to be many more far out there examples.

 

[Vargr]

@MNBlockHead:

As one married to a Japanese I can relate to all that.

My wife had to be written out of her Father's household record when she married me - I was under the impression that those household records was uniquely Japanese, but live and learn


And yes, customization is always a nice thing to have.

(And new word for the vocabulary: perpetuation)

 

[MNBlockHead]

Funny, I was actually added to my wife's household record. More funny is that in Taiwan, there are families that have no sons who will pay a young man marrying one of their daughters to join their household to keep the family going. My wife had no brothers so there were a lot of jokes about that, though it was really just a matter of convenience, as I was not a citizen and not eligible to establish a household there, but was a legal resident through marriage.

The Hukou system goes back to the Xia Dynasty, so has been around for three and a half millennia or so. When Taiwan was part of the Japanese empire the Japanese koseki system. My understanding is the that modern system is closer to the Japanese system than the Chinese, but I don't know enough about the similarities and differences between the two household registration systems.

 

[Vargr]

I am pretty sure, that the Japanese was inspired by the Chinese system and then twisted it 'slightly' so it became uniquely Japanese.

Japanese history - especially early history - is choke full of such examples.

I believe my wife was written out of her Father's household records, as she literally left his house (never mind she has lived elsewhere for years). I don't have a household record being a henna gaijin (=strange foreigner) and living outside Japan. I believe I am mentioned in my father-in-law's household record.

And as in Taiwan, having a household record (not just being mentioned as a side note) means you have Japanese citizenship.

And... how do I get this back on topic? think-think...

Oh right... Siblings. The Japanese (at least my family) take it very serious, that we are now one family - for instance my brothers-in-law simply consider themselves to be my brothers - no distance or difference.

I know, poor attempt at getting back to the thread...