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If you want to get the data, I will be happy to add it. I did not get it from
AEG, so it is not in the data files...

As for starters, I only worry about cards that are MRP'ed in a starter. Any
others I have not tracked. Do you think I should? If they are not changed, they
are basically just a reprint.

If there are any MRPed cards you know of that I have not included, then please
let me know!

--- Edward Bolme <edward@bolme.com> wrote:
> Are you folks planning on including base set cards that were reprinted in
> starters (like the resilient Small Farm)?
>
> What about the Clan War Saga foils? Gold-border promo reprints? Etc?
>
> I can certainly help with gathering that data up.


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I HAD been planning on tracking all iterations of a card even if it
was reprinted, counting on Card Vaults "Merge Duplicate Cards" to
collapse them all down. I actually like to keep track of how many
Imperial Small Farms I have versus how many Emerald, Obsidian, Jade,
Gold, etc. :) I DON'T count (for now at least) something like a Small
Farm reprinted in Hidden Emperor starter deck, just the core base
sets.

So for the sets I was going to do, Imperial through Spirit Wars, I
was going to include those. Keep in mind many of these 'base set'
cards also had differing flavor text and AEG like(s)(d) to sprinkle
flavor text that told the story throughout the cards. SO tracking
them just for flavor text changes seems important to some people I
bet. I don't know what I'll do yet for things like Hidden Emperor
Small Farms with flavor text not reprinted in any 'base' set.

I'm not going to try (at first) to track the variant cards like foils
and the such and don't plan on adding Notes for cards right away
either for the work I'm doing. I'd rather get the cards that were
printed with the wording as they were printed in first for all the
sets and THEN worry about getting all the odds and ends like promos
and variants or rulings or MRPs. Or someone else could do those,
whatever.

First, I'll see how Spirit Wars goes and then I'll know what kind of
task I'm actually facing to get everything in. :)

Thanks,
Doc

--- In cardvault@y..., Kuni Tetsu <kuni_tetsu@y...> wrote:
> If you want to get the data, I will be happy to add it. I did not
get it from
> AEG, so it is not in the data files...
>
> As for starters, I only worry about cards that are MRP'ed in a
starter. Any
> others I have not tracked. Do you think I should? If they are not
changed, they
> are basically just a reprint.
>
> If there are any MRPed cards you know of that I have not included,
then please
> let me know!
>
> --- Edward Bolme <edward@b...> wrote:
> > Are you folks planning on including base set cards that were
reprinted in
> > starters (like the resilient Small Farm)?
> >
> > What about the Clan War Saga foils? Gold-border promo reprints?
Etc?
> >
> > I can certainly help with gathering that data up.
>
>
> =====
> ---
>
> Kuni Tetsu
> Clan War rules guy
> Moderator of ClanWar-l
>
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Are you folks planning on including base set cards that were reprinted in
starters (like the resilient Small Farm)?

What about the Clan War Saga foils? Gold-border promo reprints? Etc?

I can certainly help with gathering that data up.
 
--- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I HAD been planning on tracking all iterations of a card even if it
> was reprinted, counting on Card Vaults "Merge Duplicate Cards" to
> collapse them all down. I actually like to keep track of how many
> Imperial Small Farms I have versus how many Emerald, Obsidian, Jade,
> Gold, etc. :) I DON'T count (for now at least) something like a Small
> Farm reprinted in Hidden Emperor starter deck, just the core base
> sets.

Fair enough... but since I have only done Gold plus expansions, it was not a
problem :)

> So for the sets I was going to do, Imperial through Spirit Wars, I
> was going to include those.

For Imperial, Emerald, Jade, and Obsidian, I agree. For the expansions sets I
don't see the point unless it has been reprinted. I suppose I should, but I
have no data on what is in many of the starter boxes, making this rather
difficult.

> Keep in mind many of these 'base set'
> cards also had differing flavor text and AEG like(s)(d) to sprinkle
> flavor text that told the story throughout the cards. SO tracking
> them just for flavor text changes seems important to some people I
> bet.

Argh! I had not thought of that. However, that would meet my "MRPed" criteria,
so I will include them... but I frankly don't know what many of them are! I
have some starters in a box somewhere, I will have to see what I can find.

> I'm not going to try (at first) to track the variant cards like foils
> and the such and don't plan on adding Notes for cards right away
> either for the work I'm doing. I'd rather get the cards that were
> printed with the wording as they were printed in first for all the
> sets and THEN worry about getting all the odds and ends like promos
> and variants or rulings or MRPs.

That is certainly how I did it with the Gold stuff. It is better to get the
framework in, and then you can worry about adding MRP and all that. Many MRP
issues will be overrules by Gold Edition anyway :)

> First, I'll see how Spirit Wars goes and then I'll know what kind of
> task I'm actually facing to get everything in. :)

Spirit Wars is *done*. Work on the one before that.


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> As for starters, I only worry about cards that are MRP'ed in a starter.
Any
> others I have not tracked. Do you think I should?

Well, some people may track that. I don't know. It's easy to add in on the
fly as we go along, however. I personally, cared, but only vis-a-vis getting
Gold Edition versions of all teh cards, so i coudl cycle out the uglier
old-fashioned kind.

I would probably also consider making teh CWS foils a separate release.
 
Ok, that would be Soul of The Empire and Storms over Matsu Palace,
according to what I have the order in. That sound good?

Doc

> Spirit Wars is *done*. Work on the one before that.
>
>
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--- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok, that would be Soul of The Empire and Storms over Matsu Palace,
> according to what I have the order in. That sound good?

Sounds good.

I have a question: does Storms over Matsu Palace count as valid cards for
tournaments?

I know that a recent "Teach a friend L5R" set was printed with cards that are
changed from the standard versions, but do *not* count as MRP of GE cards
because it is an introductory set. I was wondering if the same applied to SoMP.


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I know which "teach your friend to play" set you are talking about,
much like Magic the Gathering's Portal edition cards, but I am pretty
sure "Storms over Matsu Palace" is like "Battle at Beiden Pass" in
that while they are pre-constructed decks, the cards are all
legitimate, normal L5R tournament worthy cards.

But I'll check to make sure.

Doc

--- In cardvault@y..., Kuni Tetsu <kuni_tetsu@y...> wrote:
>
> --- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@y...> wrote:
> > Ok, that would be Soul of The Empire and Storms over Matsu
Palace,
> > according to what I have the order in. That sound good?
>
> Sounds good.
>
> I have a question: does Storms over Matsu Palace count as valid
cards for
> tournaments?
>
> I know that a recent "Teach a friend L5R" set was printed with
cards that are
> changed from the standard versions, but do *not* count as MRP of GE
cards
> because it is an introductory set. I was wondering if the same
applied to SoMP.
>
>
> =====
> ---
>
> Kuni Tetsu
> Clan War rules guy
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>
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SoMP and SoSM are both considered not be to MRPs (what a yucky sentence).

Some of the more esoteric abiliities were removed or simplified for
learning's sake.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kuni Tetsu" <kuni_tetsu@yahoo.com>
To: cv@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CardVault] Re: L5R


>
> --- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ok, that would be Soul of The Empire and Storms over Matsu Palace,
> > according to what I have the order in. That sound good?
>
> Sounds good.
>
> I have a question: does Storms over Matsu Palace count as valid cards for
> tournaments?
>
> I know that a recent "Teach a friend L5R" set was printed with cards that
are
> changed from the standard versions, but do *not* count as MRP of GE cards
> because it is an introductory set. I was wondering if the same applied to
SoMP.
>
>
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Most Recently Printed...

For card games where you might have the same card, let's say one
called "Ambush" in many different sets and the wording gets changed
on the card in the newest release, then ALL cards ever printed
called "Ambush" are considered to have the wording of the Most
Recently Printed version, so that all your old copies are not
obsolete and can still be used for tournament purposes.

Doc

--- In cardvault@y..., "Kyle Turner" <emperor799@e...> wrote:
> What are MRPs?
>
>
> ---Kyle Turner
> emperor799@e...
 
--- Kyle Turner <emperor799@earthlink.net> wrote:
> What are MRPs?

Most Recent Printing - many card games have a rule that the most recent printed
version of a card becomes the way that all cards should be played.


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--- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I know which "teach your friend to play" set you are talking about,

Imperial Assembly members received a set of decks along with one edition of the
Imperial Herald. We were told to use those to teach new players how to play the
game.

I just don't remember the title of the program off the top of my head.


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--- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm... I notice that Portal cards in the Magic collapse
> over 'regular' prior editions in Magic like 4th Edition (effectively
> making the Portal cards MRPs which I am pretty sure they are not). Is
> that a mistake?

AFAIK, yes, that would be an error.

These 'training' sets are a pain to deal with in CV.


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"The L5R Experience." Great idea, IMHO.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kuni Tetsu" <kuni_tetsu@yahoo.com>
To: cv@support.wolflair.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CardVault] Re: L5R


>
> --- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know which "teach your friend to play" set you are talking about,
>
> Imperial Assembly members received a set of decks along with one edition
of the
> Imperial Herald. We were told to use those to teach new players how to
play the
> game.
>
> I just don't remember the title of the program off the top of my head.
>
>
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Although SoMP are NOT considered to be MRPs, shouldn't they still be
entered into Card Vault anyway? I see Magic: The Gathering has both
Portal AND Unglued in their files.

Thanks,
Doc

--- In cardvault@y..., "Edward Bolme" <edward@b...> wrote:
> SoMP and SoSM are both considered not be to MRPs (what a yucky
sentence).
>
> Some of the more esoteric abiliities were removed or simplified for
> learning's sake.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kuni Tetsu" <kuni_tetsu@y...>
> To: <cardvault@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 6:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [CardVault] Re: L5R
>
>
> >
> > --- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@y...> wrote:
> > > Ok, that would be Soul of The Empire and Storms over Matsu
Palace,
> > > according to what I have the order in. That sound good?
> >
> > Sounds good.
> >
> > I have a question: does Storms over Matsu Palace count as valid
cards for
> > tournaments?
> >
> > I know that a recent "Teach a friend L5R" set was printed with
cards that
> are
> > changed from the standard versions, but do *not* count as MRP of
GE cards
> > because it is an introductory set. I was wondering if the same
applied to
> SoMP.
> >
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Yes, that's the set I'm talking about. Comes in that neat little
pouch/folder thingie with the elastic band to keep it closed.

Doc

--- In cardvault@y..., Kuni Tetsu <kuni_tetsu@y...> wrote:
>
> --- doc_savage_2001 <doc_savage_2001@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I know which "teach your friend to play" set you are talking
about,
>
> Imperial Assembly members received a set of decks along with one
edition of the
> Imperial Herald. We were told to use those to teach new players how
to play the
> game.
>
> I just don't remember the title of the program off the top of my
head.
>
>
> =====
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>
> Kuni Tetsu
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--- Edward Bolme <edward@bolme.com> wrote:
> SoMP and SoSM are both considered not be to MRPs (what a yucky sentence).
>
> Some of the more esoteric abiliities were removed or simplified for
> learning's sake.

Yes, but that means we need to change the name so that they will not collapse
over *real* versions of a card.

So how about an "*" after the name or similar thing to keep it from collapsing?


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----- Original Message -----
>
> Although SoMP are NOT considered to be MRPs, shouldn't they still be
> entered into Card Vault anyway?

Absolutely.
 
At 06:53 PM 12/4/2002 +0000, doc_savage_2001 wrote:
>Although SoMP are NOT considered to be MRPs, shouldn't they still be
>entered into Card Vault anyway? I see Magic: The Gathering has both
>Portal AND Unglued in their files.

They probably should be entered, but they are not the same as
Unglued. The "teaching" sets in L5R are not collectible in the sense that
all they are is fixed starters. In theory, Unglued was a collectible set
with card rarity and all. That is actually one of the aspects that makes
them annoying to deal with.
From a collectibility stand-point, they don't have a lot of value
- and the individual cards have even less, because they're not likely to be
tournament-legal. Personally, I would not bother to enter them into
inventory for this reason, but I can see why some other theoretical person
might want to.

Mark.

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